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COMMENTS POSTED FROM READERS AND FAMILY MEMBERS AND CONNECTIONS.

With substantial details and further questions. Further info would be greatly appreciated.

MATERNAL LINEAGE.
via JOYCE BELL.

REDFERN

JAMES O’BRIEN

Hi Lynne, oddly enough I recently posted a couple of blog posts about Little Young Street and the Greek Orthodox Church.

http://jamesobrien.id.au/2009/12/06/little-young-street/

http://jamesobrien.id.au/2009/12/06/surry-hills-churches/

The church, by the way is in Walker Street, not Little Young Street.

James


ATLAS AND HERCULES

BRIAN AHEARN

I am currently writing a book on the Atlas and the voyage of that ship and the Hercules. I wanted to advise the date of arrival of the Hercules in Port Jackson, it was June 26, 1802, not 1801. The Atlas arrived July 6, 1802. Hercules left Cork with the Atlas on November 29,1801. Regarding the fine paid by Betts, it was exactly 500 pounds and allocated to the Orphan fund, if he did not pay the fine at the end of the trial he was to be imprisoned. Interestingly, Betts was found ‘not guilty’ of the first indictment. However, guilty of manslaughter of Prendergass. I have copies of both log books and trial notes (HRA).

Hope this adds some helpful ‘extras’ to your research.

Regards

Brian Ahearn-Australia

READY

LYNNE KOKO

My ancestor andrew callaghan was on the three bees some people think as he was the tailor that he overturned the candle that burnt the ship down

cheers lynne

HITCHENS
BENSON
SAMUELS

Penny van der Have

Greatly interested as Hannah Hitchens/Hutchings is my gt gt grandmother by her second marriage to Henry Samuels. Their daughter Louisa Matilda married to Jabez Brown was my gt grand mother.I have just this very day being trying to trace both parts of the familie’s movements in Victoria and NSW. When was Thomas Benson admitted to Liverpool asylum and why? Hannah and Henry’s 1st child Hannah was born in 1832 within days of his death and they did not marry until 1836 with permission of the govt. Hannah did not get her Conditional Pardon until 1838.Henry was also a convict.
Cheers Penny

SAMUELS
HITCHINGSRE

PAMELA SAMUELS

Hi Lynne
I am married to Lawrence John Samuels who is a descendant of Henry Samuels and Hannah.
Are you able to put me in touch with others on this line.
Thanks.
Pamela.

SAMUELS

CHERYL LEAN

Hello Pamela & Tracey! I am downline from Henry’s brother (James) and have gathered quite a lot on this side of my family tree. I believe that Jane Whalley died suddenly of heart failure on 20 Dec 1903 at home in Lambert Street, Camperdown – aged 58 (b: c. 1845). Judging by the many memorial tributes from her children in 1904 & 1907, she was a much loved mother & wife of William. William placed his one & only tribute to his wife in 1904, not long before he died of a long and painful illness, on 21 Jan 1904 at 15 Lambert Street, Camperdown.
I found 2 possible births for Jane Whalley. 1) 12 Oct 1845 Padiham, Lancashire to John & Selina. 2) 1 Dec 1844 Blackburn, Lancashire to David & Elizabeth. The NSW BDM Death register has ‘WILLIAM’ as Jane’s father, but that could refer to husband William Samuels. If you purchase the marriage certificate of William & Jane, it ‘MAY’ show her parent’s names. Hope this helps, Cheryl (Qld)

SAMUELS
HANNAH

PAMELA SAMUELS

I believe that the Henry W Samuels married to Jane Whalley is my husband’s great grandfather.
Jane and Henry were both buried at Balmain cemetery but unfortunately it is no longer there.
Henry had a son James Charles Samuels who was my husband’s grandfather.
Could you let me have more information on Jane Whalley and I will be happy to send to you more
information on the Samuels family.
The first Henry was married to Hannah Hutchins who was previously married to Thomas Benson.
They are both buried i.e. Hannah and Henry at Camperdown cemetery, New Town, Sydney.

HUTCHINS
BENSON

CHERYL

Hello all! How exciting to find this website . Hannah & Henry were my 3 x great grandparents. I have pasted Hannah’s Old Bailey record below for your files if you don’t have it. Below that is Thomas Benton/Benson’s Old Bailey records & a little more about him which might explain why he was considered ‘mad enough’ to be placed in Sydney’s lunatic asylum – it was not a nice place. If you don’t have Henry Samuel’s Old Bailey record, just do a search for “Old Bailey” and you’ll find him in there as well. It is wonderful to find other ‘family’ researching our heritage here in Oz and I look forward to coming back to this site often to see how our ancestry unfolds. Cheers, Cherlock Qld.
THE TRIAL OF HANNAH HUTCHINS – 25th June 1823 at the Old Bailey Courthouse. ORIGINAL TEXT: Before Mr. Justice Burrough. 911. MARIA WILLIAMS and HANNAH HUTCHINS were indicted for stealing, on the 20th of May, at St. Andrew, Holborn, thirty-three yards of poplin, value 2 l., the goods of Miles Metcalf, in his dwelling-house. CHARLES WILSON. I am shopman to Miles Metcalf , a linendraper, who lives in High Holborn. On the 20th of May, between six and seven o’clock in the evening, I was called down from tea, and found the prisoners in the shop, and as they were going out, I said I suspected they had something which did not belong to them; Hutchins denied it – Williams desired her to give it up if she had anything; she still persisted that she had nothing. I sent for a constable, and before he came Hutchins took the poplin from under her clothes, and gave it to me – it measured thirty-two yards, and is worth exactly 40 s., it cost us 1 s. 4 d. a yard – we should sell it for 5 s. or 6 s. more. Williams begged hard to be let go, and said she would take the print away, and pay the money if we would let them go; she said nothing about the poplin. Hutchins said she had never seen it after she had given it up – she could not account how it got under her petticoats. They at first said they had not enough to pay for the print, which came to 8 s. 3 d., but 14 s. was found on one of them. JOHN LATIMER CLARK . I am servant to Mr. Metcalf; the prisoners came to the shop, and both asked to see a printed cotton; I saw Bow the shopman who is not here, shew them a great many. I was behind the counter opposite to them, about a yard from them; they were about ten minutes looking at them, and did not like any of them. I saw Hutchins convey a piece of figured poplin under her petticoat; she rather stooped to do it; Williams was close to bet, she did not put it on the side Williams stood, but Williams came on the other side of her at the time, and held up a printed cotton, while she was doing it, and asked me the price of it. I immediately ran up stairs and told Wilson, who came down with me, they were than paying 1 s. deposit for a print – they were going out, and he said, he thought they had something which did not belong to them, Hutchins denied it. I left them with Wilson, while I fetched Collins, the officer. JAMES COLLINS. I am a constable. I was fetched. Wilson gave me the poplin and the prisoner’s in charge. (Property produced and sworn to.) WILLIAMS’S Defence. I was coming along Holborn, and met Hutchins very much in liquor. She asked me to go with her to buy a gown, and I went with her, not knowing that she meant to steal.

HUTCHINS – GUILTY – DEATH. Aged 16. – Later commuted to Transportation. WILLIAMS – NOT GUILTY.

This was found on the Jenny Fawcett site, for deaths of Convicts in NSW. Name: Benson, Thomas. Ship Arrived On: Ocean. Year of Death: 1832. Source: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/cdeathsb.htm.

Well the above certainly provided more information once I contacted Jenny Fawcett. The surname of Thomas was often spelt thus: ‘BENTON” and not BENSON, so another search of the Old Bailey records turned up a transcript of his Court appearance & subsequent conviction.

ORIGINAL TEXT: Before Mr. Baron Garrow 28. THOMAS “BENTON” was indicted for stealing, on the 30th of October 1822, five shirts, value 25 s., and two handkerchiefs, value 2 s., the goods of Thomas Barnett; and one pair of shoes, value 2 s., the goods of Sarah Spencer, from her person. SARAH SPENCER. I live with my mother, in Vinegar-lane, Commercial-Road – she is a laundress. Thomas Barnet is my father-in-law. On the 30th of October, about a quarter before eight o’clock, I was in Gravel-lane with a bundle of linen, into which I put a pair of shoes which I had bought there. As I came out of the shop, I saw three men standing there – one of them snatched my bundle, and was gone in a moment; one of the others ran after him. The prisoner held me fast while the others got away – he held me full two or three minutes; it was moon-light, and the lamps were lit; I screamed out for assistance, and he ran towards the others, but was stopped before I lost sight of him – I am certain of him. My bundle was produced in a few minutes; it had been picked up in the direction they ran. JOHN AVERY. I am a Bow-street patrol. I heard a young woman scream out, and ran to her – she said, “They have got my bundle, there he goes, that is him.” The other two ran up Chigwell-hill, and the prisoner ran up by the dock wall, and took to the left. I secured him; she immediately said he was the man who held her. I went to Chigwell-hill, and picked up the bundle. The linen belonged to a Captain, and was given up to him. I asked how he came there, he said he went on an errand from his master, Mr. Ward, French-alley, Goswell-street, and afterwards said he went on his own pleasure. (Shoes produced and sworn to.) Prisoner’s Defence. I was going to the Black Horse, public-house, Gravel-lane, to see a man. The prosecutrix screamed out, and said she was robbed – I went up and asked who by; she said a man, and pointed towards the wall-several people ran, and I was taken. SARAH SPENCER. He did not come and ask who robbed me. I am certain of him.

GUILTY. Aged 19. SENTENCE: “Transported for Life”.

Thomas was placed aboard the Ocean II, which sailed from Portsmouth on 24th April 1823, and arrived in Sydney on 27th August 1823. The trip took 125 days, with 173 men embarking on the journey, but only 165 persons disembarked at Sydney. The ships Captain was William Harrison, and the Surgeon, James McTernan. Thomas was immediately marched to the Hyde Park Barracks where he worked for the Government and in 1826, applied to marry Hannah.

It would seem that Thomas ran away in 1830 and was subsequently recaptured some days later, as the following report states. He did marry Hannah in 1826, and it appears that they proceeded to have 3 children – 2 girls (Mary Ann 1826, Sarah A 1831, & a son named William in 1829 who died shortly after in 1831).

A notice was sent to the Principal Superintendent of Convicts’ Office in Sydney on May 15, 1830 & printed in the Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser on Tuesday, 18th May 1830. On Page 3, Column 5. It read:

The undermentioned prisioners having absconded from the Individuals and Employment set against the Names, respectively, and some of them being at large with stolen Certificates, and Tickets of Leave, all Constables and others are hereby required and commanded to use their utmost Exertions in apprehending and lodging them in safe Custody. Any Person harbouring or employing any of the said Absentees will be prosecuted as the Law directs- (among those listed)

1. Benton or Benson, Thomas, Ocean, 28 Toy Maker, London. 5 feet 3, light blue eyes, black hair, brown complexion. From: Employed-Hyde Park Barrack. By: F. A. Hely, J.P., Principal Superintendent of Convicts.

Printed in the above newspaper on Thursday, 3rd June 1830, Page 4, Column 4, was the following:

Principal Superintendent of Convicts’ Office Sydney, May 29, 1830

LIST OF RUNAWAYS APPREHENDED DURING THE PAST WEEK (among those listed) Benson Thomas, Ocean, from Hyde Park Barrack. F. A. Hely, J.P., Principal Superintendent of Convicts.

After obtaining Thomas’s Burial Registration, it appears the poor fellow died in Sydney’s first Lunatic Asylum. His “Quality or Profession” – Insane, with his abode noted as “Lunatic Asylum”.

BENSON

SANDRA

Hi,

Do you have any further information on Thomas Benson re his parents, or siblings?

I am trying to see if this person may be linked to my Benson family.

Kind regards

Sandra

CURTIS
MORAN

SANDRA DENHAM

Hi
I’m related to John Curtis and Ann Moran through Catherine ( kitty) & George Eccleston have you been into the dairy precint in paramatta park. if not you may find it interesting.
regards
Sandra

CURTIS MORAN

MARY CURTIS WILSON

I am related to John Curtis and Ann moran through his son john Curtis jnr. If you would like any info about John jnr and his descendants to the present day let me know and i will be happy to provide them.

If you contact me at the above email address and leave me details of how I can get info about John Curtis2 to you I will send you all the
info I have.

Mary

CURTIS MORAN

KIM SHEPPARD

Hi Lynne,

Just stumbled on your site and what a site it is! John Curtis and Ann Moran are my ggg.grandparents. James, their son, is my gg.grandfather. I lived most of my life at Maroubra. Mary Parsons’ (James’ wife) headstone is also at Botany, but I’m not sure if it is still standing. James’ daughter Teresa married into the Meillon family and so we are connected to John Meillon the actor. I’d love to know more about Ann Moran; she is one tough lady. Cheers, Kim.

I am the ggg.granddaughter of John Curtis and Ann Moran via their son James.

Kim Sheppard (nee Curtis)

CURTIS
MORAN
ECCLESTON

PAUL FERGUS

Dear Lynne
I also am descended from John Curtis and Ann Moran through their daughter Catherine and George Eccleston. I am their third great-grandson.
In two weeks, my wife and I will be visiting Ireland and I am hoping that I might be able to do a bit more research on the ground about Ann as she certainly seems to have been a remarkable woman.
I am trying to resolve a number of discrepancies between various items of information in my possession.
The best information seems to indicate that she was convicted in Trim in Co Meath in 1797 (coincidentally the year that John arrived in Sydney)in connection with political activities and that she was held in jail in Ireland for five years before being transported to Australia on the Hercules in November 1801, arriving here on 26 June 1802. One record in the State Library implies that the prisoners on the Hercules were convicted for offences in the “late rebellion” which can only mean the United Irishmen in 1798 from the context.
I should be grateful for any information you can provide that might assist with my research in Ireland.
While visiting my son and his family in London after Ireland, I intend to return to Bristol to undertake more research into John Curtis. I obtained a lot of information 18 months ago including records of the marriage of John Curtis and Jane Purrier and of the baptisms of all 11 of their children in St Philip and St Jacobs Church in Cheese Lane, Bristol. From these records, I managed to visit the three streets in which they lived at the times of the births of different children. For most of their married life they lived in Cheese Lane, near the Church. I suspect that as his accountancy practice failed and he got into financial difficulties, the family was forced to move to less salubrious accommodation.
I also managed to obtain copies of one press report of John’s conviction and death sentence at Gloucester Assizes for coining. The judge must have been feeling sympathy for John because another man convicted and sentenced to death at the same sittings was immediately taken for “execution of the sentence” but the judge commuted John’s sentence to transportation for life.
After returning to Australia in April 2008, I managed to locate descendants of John’s and Jane’s youngest child in New York.
Paul Fergus

MORAN
PERTS

LYNNE FIDDICK

I am not related to Ann or John, however are you aware of the relationship between Ann and Henry Perts? They applied to marry in May 1822 and appear to have been together for a number of years (until about 1828). Henry was listed in the 1825 census with Ann as “his wife” although it does not appear they were formally married. She appeared for him in 1828 when he was charged and convicted of selling spirits illicitly. I am extremely interested in knowing all I can about Henry and wondered if you had any information about him at all.

ECCLESTON
CURTIS

ALLAN DELANEY

Hello Lynne,
I am a GGGgrandson of John Curtis and Ann Moran, GGgrandson of Kitty Curtis and George Eccleston on one side,and Sarah Walsh and Fintan Delaney on the other. I have lived in Perth the past fifty-four years although I grew up in Cooma, fairly near the early family areas around the Snowy River. It was good to see all the excellent work that you have done, honouring your ancestors.
Cheers
Allan Delaney

ECCLESTON

GREG ECCLESTON

I am also a 3rd-great-grandchild of John Curtis + 2nd-great-grandchild of George Eccleston! I came across this page doing a Google search on John Curtis. Would be interested in hearing more. Greg Eccleston (Sydney, Australia)

CURTIS

JULIA

I am researching the Curtis family from Bristol and wonder if you could let me know if your John Curtis was Father to Cornelius Curtis B Bristol 1797 Cornelius was a Baker as were his eight sons one of which was my GG Grandfather.
Thanks
Julia

CURTIS

PAIL FERGUS

Julia asked whether John Curtis had a son, Cornelius, born in Bristol in 1797.
Cornelius was not the son of the John Curtis, accountant and coiner, that I and others are interested in. John Curtis boarded the convict ship “Ganges” late in 1796 in England and arrived in Port Jackson on 2 June 1797.
Paul Fergus

CURTIS

PAUL FERGUS

Dear Lynne

earlier this year, Mary Curtis-Wilson offered to provide information about John Curtis jnr. I wondered whether she might have anything relating to Ann Moran, especially her antecedents in Ireland.

Could you ask Mary to contact me at Paul@Fergus.id.auso that we can discuss any information in her possession.

Regards

Paul Fergus

ECCLESTON

ANNE O’LEARY

Lynne
Love the site.
I am descended through Catherine, Mary Jane m George Eccleston
Regards
Anne
ECCELSTON

CHRIS ROSANO

From the information I have John Jnr spent most of his adult life in Adaminaby on a property known as Rock Forest. I am descendant of Catherine Curtis and George Eccleston. They too lived on the property. My great grandmaoth Olive Eccleston was born at Rock Forest. From what I understand the property was owned by John Jnr and his brother Peter.

Could Mary Curtis-Wilson please contact me at crosano1977@hotmail.comas I have some questions regarding the Curtis family.

Regards
Chris

MOORE

Marilyn Roberts

Am very interested in photo of Sarah and George Moore. They are my great great grandparents, I am a direct descendant in the Moore Family. Are there any more photos available? Where might you have got this photo? Do you know any family history? I would love to hear any stories.

JUDE

hi

can i just say that i love your site its wonderful,

i am the great great grand daughter of john and maryann bell i did notice that my grand fathers
name was not on the list children his name was leslie d.r. bell b1878 d1941 married to margaret swan taree 4 children gary b.1935 d.1977 newcastle, elaine joy bell b.22.3.38 d.3.3.87 my mother ashes on big brother mountain where she wanted to be.(other 2 children still born)

regards
jude

MCNEIL MACLEAN

PHILIP STRONG

I am researching the McNEIL and McLEAN families… my FOSTER family is descended from them.

See chapter 8 of my website which describes this section of the FOSTERs

http://www.strong-family.org/foster/chapter_8.html

Please contact me about your BELL family.

MCLEAN

CHRIS BEASLEY

Hi Kim with thanks to Lynne,
There is some anecdotal evidence that Donald and Euphemia(nee McLean)moved to Tower Hill in the Warrnambool area of Victoria after arriving per Brilliant from the Isle of Coll. A few of us have been looking hard at this family and are still befuddled by the similarity of names and first cousin marriages which really confuses the issue. We are also looking for a John McLean and his wife Mary (nee McLean also) plus children Neil and another Euphemia and whereas the children have generated some further history in Victoria the parents have disappeared on us. I am currently working on the assumption that Mary and Euphemia (Donalds wife) were sisters. Would love to hear how you are getting on Chris

MCLEAN
MCNEIL

PHILLIP STRONG

Hi Kim,
Have a look at the detailed research on our McLEAN family on my website which will answer some of your questions.
Note that Jessie / Janet / Jennet McLEAN (later MCNEIL) (of LYNNE BELL SANDERS) is a brother of your John McLEAN who died in Lismore.
Phil

MCLEAN

PAMELA NEALE nee CARROLL

Hi Kim,

I am the daughter of Edward Welford Carroll who is the brother of Lily Mavis Carroll who married James Brown McLean of the General Store family in Lismore. I was also born in Lismore and remember the house of the McLeans in Ballina Road, Lismore. It have been interesting reading about all the McLeans from the sight. I believe that we may be cousins if your mother is the daughter of James and Lily McLean.

Kind regards,
Pam

BELLS.
MCLEODS
MACKAYS

LYNNE

Hi Gabrielle. My Mcleods and Mackays were on the Brilliant. Wilhellmina Mcleod and her sisters and brother Donald. Her mother was Janet Mackay. I have quite a few stories about them thanks to newly found family. They went to the Hunter Valley and then some came on to Tweed. It was my Great Grandfather John Bell whose mother was Wilhelmina who went with his wife Mary Ann mcNeil to Laurieton and my mother’s father, William Allen Bell, was born there. We often went there as children. Surely they must be connected. I live near Condong and Tumbulgum now and am very familiar with this area. Thank you for making contact and for the details on your website. Yrs Lynne.

BELL

BELLE

Interesting that i find your wonderful site congratulations .
I am also a descendant of Norman Bell.
Norman Bell was my mother Williamina Agnes’s grandfather. I have great interest in the past and the history of where we have come from and over the years have gained little snippets of information from those who are no longer with us and of course would love to know more and more.

Dear Mark,

Is it possible for me to contact you with regards to the Bell family ? I am one of the grandaughters of John James Bell and perhaps can shed a little light on his life for you if you are interested as well as learning a little more about his family for myself if possible from you. I did recieve information that came from you many years ago from one of my aunts in the Barrington area.
Regards Belle of Taree.

BELL

Jude.

HI LYNNE

CAN I JUST SAY HOW EXCITING TO BE LIVING SO CLOSE TO WHERE THEIR UNION BEGAIN ALL THOSE YEARS AGO.AND I THINK YOU ARE DOING OK I FEEL YOUR SKILLS ARE FINE. I DONT HAVE MUCH IN THE WAY OF FAMILY DETAILS ONLY WHAT I HAVE HEARD OVER THE YEARS, YOU SEE MY MOTHER WASNT RAISED BY HER MOTHER BUT BY THE AUNTY ANNIE(ANNIE MCLEAN BELL) THE SISTER OF MUMS FATHER LESLIE BELL SON (GRANNY)FROM MY GRAND MOTHER(MARGARET SWAN) SHE SAID THAT WOMEN IN THOSE DAYS WERE NOT SEEN TO HAVE CHILDREN WITHOUT A HUSBAND SO MUM AND UNCLE GARRY WENT TO LIVE WITH THE BELL FAMILY SOME YEARS LATER GARRY WAS STOLEN BACK WHILE COMING HOME FROM SCHOOL AND TIGHT SECURITY WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR MUM SO NAN COULD NOT GET HER TOO. SO MUM DIDNT HAVE MUCH IN THE WAY OF FAMILY PIC AND OTHER THINGS. MOST IF WHAT I HAVE WAS UNCLE GARRYS WHICH WENT TO MUM AFTER HE DIED IN 1976.

ONLY WISH MUM COULD SEE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE SHE WOULD BE SO SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THE THINGS I HAVE.MOST OF WHAT I HAVE DONE IS FIND OUT WHAT I COULD RE: MY GRAND FATHER ARMY RECORDS WHICH WAS INTERESTING IN ITS SELF I ALSO HAVE A DIARY THAT HE KEEPED WHILE IN FRANCE.

MUM WAS TOLD THAT HER FATHER DIED OF CANCER HE DIDNT. AND THATS WHY I STARTED THIS TO FIND OUT IF THE GENES CARRIED ON IN THE FAMILY NEITHER JOHN OR LESLIE (DONNY BELL) DIED OF CANCER BUT MUM AND GARRY DID BOTH IN THEIR 40S. SO I DO HAVE CERTIFICATES THAT CONFIRM THIS.

I AM GOING OVER THE WEEKEND TO SEE WILHELMINAS GRAVE SITE @ ROOKWOOD POST PIC

RE:

JUDE.

BELL

KEVIN BELL

Hi Lynne, Kevin Bell is my name & i live at Laurieton. Granny Bell was my great grandmother, my grandfather was Roy Bell. I am interested in your research which i have just started to read. Look forward to learn more with great interest. .

Regards Kevin

MCLEODS

GABRIELLE WATERSON

Hello there
I happened across your website this evening and noticed you have a link to mine in connection with the Brilliant. You have done a marvellous job with your site, can you tell me what web program you used. Quite co-incidentally I lived in Laurieton for many years and so have heard of some of your names through articles in the local paper. Additionally I think the land purchased near Condong from John McLeod is a link to my family. My McLeods came on the Brilliant and owned some land in that area, they were also connected to the sugar mill. Cheers Gabrielle

MCLEOD

MAGGIE MCLEOD

my grandad mcleod dont know first name re married dont know who, but went or was from highlands , granny was evelyn mcleod had 2 sons 1 daughter , granny also remarried so never spoke about first marriages just a shot
MCLEANS

KIM WILLIS

Hi Lynne, your site was passed on to me by James O’Brien. I have been looking into my mums family, the McLeans from Lismore and have gone back as far as a young John McLean ..born in Argyleshire Scotland in 1835 but whose family moved to the Island of Mull. When he was nearly 3 he arrived with his parents and other family members on 20/1/1838 on the “Brilliant”. You can look on James’ site to see the whole bit but I dont seem to be able to find out who the young Johns parents were and if he had any other siblings besides a brother called Donald. The lists above mention married males and females etc but I cant read the side….does it mention the children as well?? It wouldnt surprise me to find out his father was called John too as he also produced a son by the same name and the first born were often called after their parents…its his mothers name and perhaps any brothers or sisters that i seem to be coming to a standstill with. Plus the fact that there are so many of the males in the family called John!! Anything you could suggest to shed any light? Happy to hear from you either on this or by email….thanks heaps…Kim

Found a site that had a passenger list for the Brilliant. Have found two McLean families..one was father Donald 30, Euphemia 28, Donald 3 and John 2 and also another John 32, Catherine 28, Marion 5, Donald 4 and John 2. Both of these would fit the bill of my ancestor John and his brother Donald..so far have no reference to them having a sister. I think James gave me your site because of the reference to a Janet McLean above the newspaper article on the Brilliant. I started researching some of this this morning and am still going from site to site. Its quite fascinating. Thanks for your help…

Just noticed also that under your article “Inverness Courier Index 1837″ on the right hand side there is reference to some McLeans…unfortunately it cuts off the right hand side so the entire line cant be read. It looks as if the Donald and John I found on another list are mentioned there but it’s a bit hard to tell. Do you have a hard copy? Cheers…

Hi again…No I live in Brisbane..mum and dad moved up from Lismore when I was little….I actually went onto one of the NSW Library sites and some of the information on people aboard the Brilliant was pretty scant. Out of 300 odd though at least 50 were McLeans!! I am going to try to find out more on probably Euphemia because it is one of the rarer names as opposed to Catherine, but one article I was reading said that proper registraion of births, deaths and marriages didnt really come to the fore until about 1855, and in a lot of cases females were just mentioned as wives etc. and not names! Found a list of the Duke of Argyll’s landdwellers and there were heaps of McLeans there as well… it’s really interesting once you get started on it isnt it? I remember going to a family reunion when I was little…Dads side are all Welsh. Am going to try to track down that side as well. Will let you know how I progress. Thanks.

BELLS

LYNNE

HEllo to you Jude, I had found your site once before and wanted to get back to you and then lost it. I have added the details on this site http://www.myheritage.com/site-29656891/lynne%27s-heritage-web-site and hope that I have them correct. if you have anything else you would like added to the site do let me know. My own Mum was named Joyce Bell and usually called Joy Bell. Thank you for the story of your Mother’s ashes on Big Brother Mountain. I knew that we were all from Laurieton and that Granny Bell and The Invalid Mr Bell ( John) had farmed cane on the Tweed but I didn’t have any details. My Mother Joy grew up in a street in Rosebery Sydney called Tweedmouth Avenue.
7 years ago I moved to the Tweed River and lived in Tumbulgum a tiny 7 street village and now I find that the Bells’ land was within a few kilometres of there from 1862-1892 with relatives still in this area although I havent located them as yet.
I shall put some maps and images up but as you can see I have minimal organsational skills here.
The Tweed Fanily history Centre also located James Bell and Wilhelmina McLeod ( John’s parents). James being the convict from Gallowsgate and Wilhellmina being from the Sutherland Shire where the tenants were “removed” and “assisted” in emigrating to Australia. Wonderful stuff. If you have any more details of your own family or ours I would love to have them. Yrs Lynne.

BELL

COLLEEN

Hi Mark,

Hopefully this will reach you..I think perhaps you are the person that Joan Carter (my aunt) from Woondooma told me about some years ago.. I am one of convict James Bell’s descendants also…my mother was a Bell from Barrington. I would love any information that you have collected or are prepared to share with me..perhaps i may have some little bits of information also that may interest you also…i have been interested in family research since i was a little girl ..so if this reaches you i shall be extremely happy..

Regards Colleen

LAURIE

DAVID MACKAY

I am a descendant of Joseph Laurie, and was fascinated to read his letter of 1881.

Many thanks,
David McKay

LAURIE

NELLE LAURIE

Hi, I am also a decendant and am currently doing some family history searching. There is a portion of a diary or letter in the Australian Library you can view (I do have a copy of it on my old computer somewhere. It has some candid descriptions of the boys. Currently I am looking at Joseph’s grandfather and his uncles. Joseph had two maiden aunts, from his grandfathers second marriage, who died in Scotland, aged 80+. They were called Janet and Anne. Will attempt to keep you posted, or if you have any info feel free to email me – waterfirefly65@gmail.com.

cheers
Nelle

BANGALOW

LYNDY CRACKNELL

I love your site but have to query your great-grandfather saying he travelled north with Thomas Robinson, the founder of Bangalow. My great great grandfather was Thomas Chowne Robinson (1844-1922)who travelled north from the Dungog/Allyn River/Manning River area to become the first land grant holder in Bangalow. In 1865, Thomas was not even married yet,let alone travelling north to Lismore. He married in 1871, and was still farming in the Manning River area for a further eight years until the floods wiped him out. My great grandmother, his second daughter told me he went north in the year/years prior with his brother Jack to set up a hut and enought cleared space to keep a cow and then returned to Dungog to bring his wife and three children to the “Big Scrub”. They arrived in 1881. Their fourth child Mabel was the first white child born in Bangalow.

QUIRK

MARK ROGERS

Hi Lynne, we share a lot of GG-ancestors. I’m a John Quirk descendant.

James Bell – I can help you there – he died in early Feb 1852, as you’ll see toward the bottom of the 3rd column on p.2 of this page of the Maitland Mercury
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14403676/18520214/00100795/2-2.pdf

He’s been well researched by others, but no breakthrough back to family in Glasgow unfortunately – I was sent a transcript of his trial if you are interested, refers to him living with his sister but no name – it wasn’t housebreaking as such, he and another (who got away) were attempting to bore through the floor of a stationery store.

Bells/Quirks/McLeods/ Lauries are well worked veins, lots of genies working on it over the years but I’d never google-searched before so glad to find your site.

Feel free to contact me off-line. Love to share.

Christina Quirk’s daughter Janet was a spinster and very interested in the family history. She passed on a lot of the oral history to her nephew Harold Quirk who inherited John Quirk’s property “Matildadale” at Tumbulgum and now lives at Banora Point on the Tweed. So I got a good “leg-up” from the oral history when I first started paying attention. Much of what I’ve been able to verify has been spot-on so I have pretty good confidence in the detail I can’t verify. Happy to share.

I also have copies of photos of Agnes Mary Bell, DO Norman; also Wilhelmina Bell; Granny Bell and of course my own ancestor Christina Quirk (nee Bell) if you are interested.

Thanks for the acknowledgements Lynne, I’d like to also acknowledge Jan Morrison (photos & all the Margaret McLeod research in Scotland), Marie Toshack (Bell/Laurie photos & research)

QUIRK
BELL

CAROL QUIRK

What a marvellous website! Thanks to you and your researchers for all the information.
I have been researching my husband’s family (descended from Christina Bell and John Quirk) and can add a couple of marriages.
Elizabeth Bell married firstly William Butler Cochrane (no date but died in 1885 Tweed River Dist. age 34). She then married Joseph Walker in 1888 NSW 7237/1888 Tweed River Dist.
Christina married John Quirk 24 Aug 1878 at the home of Thomas Cochrane, Cairns Terrace North Brisbane. The witnesses were William Butler Cochrane and Elizabeth Bell.
Hope this is of use if you haven’t found them already.
Carol

TOSHACK

IAN JOHNSTON

Interested in the Toshack family of which at least William (dob 1829) was in Tasmania in 1855.
Any assistance appreciated. Tks

PATERNAL LINEAGE
VIA BRUCE SANDERS

SANDERS

JAN MAURICE

Hi I’m related to agnes Janes Sanders she was my grandmother I live in Perth West Australia would like to get in touch
Jan

my grandmother was Agnes JAne Sanders daughter of William and Mary Ann Skivings she married CHW Taylor would like to hear from any family JAnice Maurice nee TAylor Perth WA

Hi Lynne Well what do you know I have a relative who was also on the Three Bees Hugh Kennedy whos daughter Elizabeth Kennedy married John Taylor.
Hugh Kennedy born about 1768 was indicted for having in his custody at Belfast on August 1812 a counterfeit Bank of Ireland note for one pound two shillings and ninepence knowing it to be forged transported for 14 years age 44 occupation weaver.
The Three Bees only made one voyage after her arrival in 1814 she caught fire near Government wharf and exploded in the harbour then drifted onto the rocks at Bennalong point where she burnt to the water line.
Hugh died in march 1843 he owned land in Grose Street Parramatta.

JAN MAURICE

Hi Lynne
Have found some information from another cousin
Elizabeth Sanders born 1850 in the Parish of St Batholomews Prospect
Harriett,William and Frederick J borb in the Parish was St Thomas [CO AYS]Port Macquarie. I don’t know if they were baptised at these churches but they would have been registred their.
also
Buried Frederickton Cementry Methodist
25-William George died 10 August 1923 age 69
28-Sanders Christopher George son og William and Mary Ann died 3rd January 1882 age 8years and 6 months also 29-Mary Ann wife of William died 13 Nov 1882 age 52 and 30-William died 19 December 1910 age 86.

SANDERS

JUDY DUNN

Hi Lynne,
Great Photos !!!!
I am also the great grand daughter of Frederick John Sanders. My grandfather was Clement Constant Sanders (Fredericks Son). My father was Donald Clement Sanders. Would love to hear from you. The photo of William Sanders sent shivers through my spine, I looks like my father returned from his grave, every feature is the same as my fathers. Cheers Judy

SANDERS

CHRIS MCCARTHY

Hi Lynne

I am descended also from frederick. My GF was Clarence McLeay Sanders so I suppose that makes us cousins. Would love to get together and discuss details. My mobile is 0412 221 587 and I live in Port Macquarie.

Regards
Chris

SANDERS

JAMES O’BRIEN

Hi Lynne

I’ve been meaning to mention for sometime since first looking at your site,
I have a Sanders North Coast connection, though I’m not sure if there’s a
link.

My sister was married to Ray Hyland for many years. His sister, Vonnie
(that’s what we called her, though I can’t remember if that’s her real name)
was married to a Sanders in Lismore. I remember one of the sons, also Ray,
was about my age.

Anyway, just wondering if the connection was there.

James

SKIVINGS

JOCELYN ORAM

My connection Mary Ann Skevings sister Harriett. I have come across some info on The family of William and Mary Ann. My question is the parents of William Sanders 1823, Jocelyn namely on many researchers notes William Sanders and Elizabeth Green, however on Williams death cert shown on you site and a copy of which I have the fathers name is John. Were William and John the same person. Can you help solve this?

JULLIAN
CRAIG
KEAST

MARGARET BOOTH

Martha Julian was born 10.2.1856 at North Kempsey she married Thomas Craig 25.7.1877 and she died 31.5.1932 and is burried at Frederickton Cemetery. Her parents were John Julian and Elizabeth Keast.
Hope this verifies your query. Feel free to contact for further queries. Margaret

JULLIAN

SHARON

Frances Julian (Martha’s sister) was my great-great grandmother on my mother’s side. Frances married John Blackwell Kerr who was born in Maitland.

CRAIG

ALVIN CHAPMAN

I am descended from Thomas Craig’s youngest sister, Jane, who married John George WRIGHT in Bega on 29 May 1869. Is there anything in the Craig Family bible your sister has about Jane? She died in Bega on 7 April 1911.

I also have some ancestry details of their parents William and Margaret nee ARNIEL.

I am not able to confirm the details you have in the first draft. I noticed a question on whether George H CRAIG, born in 1853, was a sibling. I do not know – his father is recorded as William W CRAIG and I do not think Thomas’ father had a second name.

SANDERS

JACKIE WING

4 years ago, on a trip around Italy, my husband and I met a member of a Sanders clan who lives in Sydney, Australia. His immediate family hail from London, Middlesex and Surrey. In the early 60′s he emigrated to Australia. Last year he emailed me and asked me to trace his family history and I have found his earliest Sanders ancestor to be Thomas Sanders of Kenton, who married Martha Bond in 1707 – the same as yours! Thomas is his 6th great grandfather.

Please contact me directly if you would like to get in touch with him. I am sure he would be delighted to hear from you although I am saving most of the details of his tree until his visit to the UK next year. I am happy to share anything I have on the family and am still seeking a living relative who I hope you may be able to help me with.

Jackie

HURRELL

ROS LUNFORD

I’m the granddaughter of Albert Dudley Johnston who married Anne Hurrell and owned the store at Kinchela.

HURRELL

PHIL HURELL

hi Lynne, im a grandson of Theo Hurrell, great grandson of thomas Dennis, great great grandson son of John Hurrell. Im quite sure i have a photo of John Hurrell. Please contact me

MERILYN HURRELL

I recently visited my grandparents at Comboyne, NSW and was talking with nana about the Family History Research i had been doing. She brought out alot of photos a similar one to the one above on the back was “hurrell sisters”. However we were unsure of the names of each of the ladies at the time.

Hi Lynne,

If you would like a copy of the photo i have i can send it via email, you’ll definately be able to see how similar the photo’s are. I have alot of the information you have above from talking with my nana. she also gave me a duplicate copy of John Hurrell’s death certificate which listed mary warner as his mother…. i never knew that john married twice. Barb Miller provided me with with alot of information a couple of years back which is the same as what you have in the Hurrell section. You’ve done a great Job on your site here, alot of hard work and time. let me know if you would like me to share the photo. I copied all photo’s from my nana and scanned them to put in my tree.
Warm regards,
Merilyn.

HURRELL

CATHY HURRELL JONES

I live in Danville, Virginia. USA. My Grandfather was Thomas Hercules Hurrell fm the UK. He died around 1931 in Texas somewhere. He was a Merchant Marine. We know little about him other than that his family lived near London and he had an Aunt, Ursula Cox who was a concert pianist in the early 1900′s. My mother’s name is Janie Elizabeth Hurrell. I would love to find out more about his family. Emails would be welcomed. Great Website. Cathy

KINCHELA

Judy Zappacosta

I am a granddaughter of the owners of the store at Kinchela the late Albert Dudley and Ann (nee Hurrell) Johston. I was very pleasantly surprised to find this photo of the store on your blog. My mother was Sybil Johnston, twin sister of Daisy Margaret Johnston and sister to Leiton, Varney, Harold, Athol and Beth (all deceased). The family left Kinchela in 1916 and settled in Haberfield, Sydney.

JUDY ZAPPACOSTA

Hi Lynne
Your ancestry website is wonderful Lynne. Thank you for taking the time to painstakingly gather and share your research. I appreciate your generosity. I’m just starting to trace my Hurrell heritage and it’s been wonderful to read recent discussion between you and other Hurrell descendents/researchers on your website.
I understand, though haven’t found NSW BDM birth records to support my assumption, that your grandmother, Lucy Jane Hurrell, was my great aunt. My maternal grandmother was supposedly her younger sister Ann who married Albert Dudley Johnston. They owned the Kinchela store, a photo of which is on your webpage ‘Images of Kinchela’.
I’m a little cautious about assuming lineage here because I have a few gaps to fill in my understanding of my Hurrell lineage and three gaps in particular are Lucy Jane’s, Ann’s and Mark’s parentage and birth registrations. According to the listing, on your 20 August 2008 webpage under Barb Miller’s information, John and Ellen Hurrell had 10 children. I’ve only been able to find birth registrations on BDM for 7 – John, Eliza Mary, Mary, Thomas Dennis, Ellen Matilda, James and George.
I can’t find registrations for Lucy Jane, Mark or Ann and would very much appreciate any clarification on their parentage and birth registrations. I understand there could be any number of reasons as to why these records are easily traceable.
Prior to reading the list, I was somewhat unaware of Lucy Jane’s and Mark’s existence because I hadn’t been able to find their birth registrations on NSW BDM and also since my mother Sybil’s death in 1996, I haven’t had any surviving family members from whom I could learn more about my Hurrell connections. There is a birth registration (8143/1860) for a Lucy J. Hurrell, which you’ve referred to on your March 25 2008 webpage, born to John and Elizabeth Hurrell, not Ellen.
According to your list Ann was born in 1872 however the only birth registration I’ve found that comes closest to Ann in the Kempsey – Macleay River area is for ‘Annie P’ born to Thomas D and Isabella Johnston in 1871 at Macleay River. I recall my late aunt Daisy Margaret Johnston (Ann and Dudley’s youngest daughter and twin sister to my mother Sybil) saying many years ago that she’d been unable to obtain a copy of Ann’s birth certificate. I’d started to wonder whether John and Ellen had adopted Ann as I can’t find evidence her birth. Ann died at Ashfield in 1955 and her BDM death record (631/1955) lists her parents as John and Ellen. BDM’s record (3266/1985) of her marriage to Albert Dudley Johnston at Kempsey gives Ann’s surname as Hurrell.
My BDM birth registration searches for Mark also haven’t returned any results.
Mark and Ruth Hurrell were parents to three children Herbert, Elsie and Ruth. I had a lot of contact with Elsie when I was a child because she was a frequent visitor to my Nanna Ann’s house in Haberfield, Sydney.
I’ve recently looked through old family photos and found a photo of Lucy Jane with the inscription in Daisy’s handwriting ‘Aunty Lucy’ taken at around the time of your photo of Grandma Lucy Sanders and the aunts. I have another small photo of either Ann or it could be Ellen (also taken around the same time as the photos featuring Lucy and the aunts) who I understand from Mum lived with Ann and her family when they moved from Kempsey to Haberfield, Sydney. I’ve also found a photo of a Mrs D Hurrell, Jerseyville although I haven’t traced her lineage as yet. I’d be very happy to share these photos with you when I can get my scanner working!

Warm regards

Judy Zappacosta

JUDY Z

Hi Lynne

It’s wonderful of you, Merelyn Hurrell and her Nan to share these photos. Thank you so much. I think the aunt in the top right hand corner is my grandmother Ann. I only have a couple of photos of Ann taken in later years and it’s such a lovely surprise to see a photo of her as a younger woman. According to the list of John and Ellen’s ten children on your heritage website Ann was the youngest female child. In both photos the aunt I’m referring to looks to be younger than her four sisters.

Warm regards, Judy Zappacosta

HURRELL

JAN MAURICE

Hi Lynn
The Hurrell photoes are great could you please tell me who is in the picture with blackberry Who are the girls and do you know the names of the twins
Thank you Jan

Hi Lynne I think I’ve found the twins their was a couple of sets but most died in infancy but Harriett Sanders born 4 July 1852 married Thomas Rowe their daughter Mary Elizabeth Rowe born 1880 married Mark Hurrell in 1907 and Dulcie E R Hurrell 25209/1907 and Edna M R Hurrell 1907/25210 This would make the photo 4 generations of girls just like the one with the men.
Hope I’m right Bye Jan

KITCHING

JULIO

Dear Lynne, while reaserching my daughters family tree I have come across your info on Sarah. Robert Evan Kitching is her great, great uncle, I have a copy of their marriage cerificate, he was born 1876,came from England 1879 aboard ‘Samuel Plimsoll’ with four, siblings, Edith, Cornelius, Fred and Alfred father Thomas and mother Cecilia. Cornelius is our connection. Thought we would share this with you as you have shared your family with us. Robert’s father died 1939 buried Cambeltown area also.
Best Wishes. Julio. P.S let me know if I can help further.

KITCHING SANDERS

JOHN HUNT

Hi, thank you for this info
My Great Grandmother was one of the 11 children, she was Sarah Ellen Kitching (Sanders) of Narellan
Do you know where I could find out more about the Sanders of Kinchela ?
Would appreciate any help you could provide

Regards

John Hunt
Sydney

KITCHING

JAN MAURICE

Hi John
I have been in contact with Leila Riley and Margaret Perry they still live in the Kitching home in Campbelltown
Lila Rileys mother was Dorothy Kitching and she was 93 at the time
My grandmother was Agnes Jane Taylor nee Sanders who lived in Appin and was friendly with her sister Sarah
The address in Campbelltown is 11 Stuart Street Campbelltown nd I think the ladies were in contact with the Campbelltown Historical Society.
Would like to hear from you
Jan Maurice nee Taylor.

KITCHING SANDERS

JOHN HUNT

Hi Jan,
Appreciate the email, very nice to hear from you. I know Stuart street very well, I have going there since I was born  and that was in 1953. Aunty Liela was my dad’s 1st cousin. My grandmother was Effie Hunt nee Kitching, Aunty Dot’s older sister. Sarah passed away in 1946, she saw my sister (Larraine) when my sister was less than a month old. I remember my Greatgrand father Robert (Sarah’s husband)as Dar Kitching, I was about 6 when he died. I have many fond memories of Stuart Street visiting the Riley’s and Perry’s over many years. Not sure if you know that Aunty Liela passed away recently, about 4-6 weeks ago. My sister and I went to the funeral at St Peter’s in Campbelltown and caught up with our cousin Margaret and Aunty Liela’s brother Peter, who came up from Adelaide. My sister has visited the Sanders home town of Kinchela and we have been researching it for some time now. We believe Sarah left Kinchela and came down to Appin and possibly lived with Agnes Taylor her sister, as you said I believe they were very close. It was along time ago early to mid 1890′s as my grandmother Effie was born in 1895.So Agnes is your grandmother or greatgrand mother ? Anyway enough from me, if you know anymore about the Sanders please feel to pass it on, I would appreciate that very much. GreatGreatGrandfather Sanders sure has a large extended family now
Kind regards
John Hunt

SANDERS

CLYDE THOMAS SANDERS

Im wondering who i am in this sanders tribe.
FATTORINI

JOHN AND CHRISSY WELLBORNE

Hi Lynne,

We were most interested in your collection of articles on the colourful doctor Fattorini.
My G/G Uncle Michael Spence, convicted and transported for bigamy in 1833, on the Asia 1, was assigned to the good Doctor either in Sydney, and/or Port Macquarie.We are unsure on this, and just what he was actually assigned to do?
Michael got his “ticket of leave” in 1837,married a distressed needleworker!,opened a store, and became postmaster,wine seller and later a magistrate,His children, in particular his son WA Spence, eclipsed his father’s community involvement in Port Mc.
Ref;Google- The Spence Family of Port Macquarie

Cheers
John & Chrisy
Bundaberg, Queensland

Tom R Fattorini

I have read with interest the goings on of Dr Fattorini from 1830-1853. Does anybody know what his Christian name was?

FATTORINI

PAM YATES

I am doing a Pioneer Register of Port Macquarie 1821-1900 Dr Fattorini is buried here with his first wife, Clemence La Monnerier Beaufiels. I cannot find children from second marriage to Lavinia Tozer here in Port Macquarie it states he was left with a small family after his second wife died. Being early registrations I would like to know if any one knew og this family and can help me. Regards Pam Yates

John & Chrissy Wellborne

Hello Lynne,
Thanks for your email.
I have a short bio on the life and times of Dr Fattorini, as he was mentor and later business partner of my Grt.Uncle Michael Spence,(convict) in Port Maquarie, post 1833.
I have his full name and title as;
Dr Jean Charles Baptiste Lamonierie (dit Fattorini)1787-1853.
I can email you a copy of this bio and a couple of refernces?
Please let me know how to send same.??

J & C Wellborne
Bundaberg,Queensland.

JULLIAN

PHYLLIS WOODERSON

I am very interested as I have the julian family amongst my ancestors. also I am typing up many obits for a fellow in town and if you are interested you may let me know. this is the Macleay region- some bellingen people etc.
I have not found any other family members names in what I have seen here though.

cheers phyllis

SANDERS

JENNIFER SANDERS

Hi Lynne,

I was just doing a wild search for an ancestor of mine and dicovered your site. Will have to search more thoroughly at another time, as I think you may have some very useful information for me. Clement COnstant Sanders, who was Frederick John’s brother or son (will have to check and get back to you) was my great grandfather. I’m very excited to find a site that has some of my family history, as I keep finding other Sanders lines that are not related.
Whereabouts are you??? I’m in Orange, NSW

LYNNE

Hi Jen, You are with the right family now. Clem was my father’s uncle. As you will be able to see, the Sanders came from Devon, England. I am near Grafton NSW.
This site may help as well. http://www.myheritage.com/site-29656891/lynnes-heritage-web-site I have just upgraded my ISP so should be able to put some more info up soon. I also have contact with a man called Chris McCarthy who has far more info so I shall try to get onto him as well. Will see what else I can do. Yrs Lynne.

JEN SANDERS

Hi Lynne,
I went home and checked and you are absolutely right – I was just a bit confused between Frederick John and Frederick William. I have a list of all of Blackberry Bill’s kids, along with their dates and place of birth, death and marriage and then my direct line down from there, so I would be very interested in expanding the tree a bit. I had a look on your other link, but a lot of the Sanders listed are private, which is fully understandable. I love the photos though – I can’t tell you how excited I was when I saw those – have never seen any photos past Clement before and even those were only very recently.
I would love to have a chat with you sometime if you are interested in doing so. My number is 0427 744 225.
Cheers and thanks again – you made my day yesterday.
Jen
PS – if you’re wondering, my pop was Cyril Rex Sanders and my Dad is Dennis Clifton Sanders.

JEN SANDERS

Hi again Lynne… sorry I haven’t called… have been looking through my information to see if have anything that can fill some of the holes you have here.. I have a couple of death dates and places that you don’t have listed above, but you may have these elsewhere… You have filled a lot of holes for me though, thank you so much.
I have been trying to find a copy of of Herbert Burdett’s service record, as my Pop told me (before he died) that Uncle Bertie died in France during the First World War, but I haven’t found anything confirming that he even served! Found one of the other brothers who made it back, but not him? Any thoughts?
Will definitely speak to you soon.
Cheers,
Jen

SANDERS

COLLEEN WATT

Would love to have Jen Sanders email address. Her Cyril Rex Sanders was married to Dorothy Ellen Allingham, who was the daughter of Dorothy Mercer, who was the little sister of my great grandfather!!

SANDERS

DICK SANDERS

Hi
I am the son of Ray Sanders and grandson of Clement Constant Sanders. I was born in Kingsford in 1940. I am not the Dick Sanders to whom you refer above and who apparently organised the Everson’s reunion in 1984 in Kempsey. This was told to me by Noel Everson at my aunt Jessie Boyes (nee Woodward) funeral at Kempsey on 30 Dec 2009. Noel had married Elsie Maud Sanders and told me that his grandmother was Elizabeth Grace Sanders. In the Kempsey Heritage Publications Catalogue, there are two documents: The Everson Families, by Phillip Everson, 1987 L and The Everson Story, by the Everson Reunion Committee, 1984 L. I have obtained extracts that relate to Sanders. Tracing them through I have found that Noel’s grandmother was the sister of my great grandfather Frederick.
All this though hinges on the fact that both Frederick and Elizabeth Grace were children of William Sanders (1823 – 1910) and Mary Ann Skivings (1830 – 1882).
Now my brother Bob (born Coledale 1937) has put together our family tree some years ago. In it he did not make a direct link between William and Mary Ann, and our great grandfather Frederick.
When I asked him if there was a direct link (email 31/1/10) he replied: “many years ago when i was in kempsey, i went to the registry office and made the same enquiry re frederick john. the lady at the desk asked me to wait a minute and disappeared out the back. she reappeared with the traditional dusty tome, and opened it at a page that showed the registration of his birth, the information provided by his father, william, who signed the declaration with an X in the four angles of which the clerk had written william- sanders- his- mark.it made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. it was like seeing a ghost.”
Now this strongly suggests that William was illiterate and needed to sign with an X. In your text, though, it says that he “reads and writes”. What do you think is the explanation?
Note that my brother’s family tree gives William as born in Devon and his father as John. Mary Ann is given as ‘Mary Ann Skimmings’, whose parents were George Skimmings and Grace Daw.
I am happy to pass on anything that I have that may be useful. I have Bob’s family tree typed up in Word and Excel.
By the way, the Everson papers extracts show that your Aunty May Sanders Everson (b. 14 Jun 1911) married Ted Everson on 11 Jun 1930. To close the circle of family coincidence, Ted is the brother of the Noel Everson who approached me at the funeral.
Regards
Dick

PS Like the other Dick Sanders, I also take offence at the repeated inclusion of the letter U into my surname. I checked once in the Newcastle phone book and Saunders outnumbers Sanders by 5 to 1, so I guess that accounts for it. Still annoying though.

PPS I haven’t plumbed the depths of your considerable web page yet so apologise if I’ve missed the obvious

STEVE SANDERS

Hi Lynne, great pics and information. I’m guessing you live up Ulmurra way. I work with Telstra (at least for the time being) at Coffs Harbour and live in Sawtell. I noticed you mentioned you would like to know where you’re father’s cousin Dick Sanders was after Campsie? Well I was just on the phone with him last weekend whilst down South West Rocks paying my respects at the Anzac Dawn Service. Dick is the Brother of my father Jim. Ray Sanders was their father (my grandfather) who was the son of Clement Constant Sanders. I drive through Kinchela when ever I get a chance and love the fact my descendands are from this area. I’m 43yrs old married with three boys and like yourself are a proud Sanders.

SANDERS

KIERRA-JADE MACIVER

Hi

I’ve just joined the Sanders of Kinchela group. I’m grandaughter to Robert Patten Sanders and great grandaughter to Frederick William Sanders. I am so glad that I came across your site – it’s really helped to fill in some blanks for me. Lynne some advice if you could, whats the general protocol around saving peoples photos and records into your own trees. I assume its okay as long as its sourced, is that the general gist?

Fantastic site and I look forward to finding out more on our families.

Kierra-Jade Maciver (nee Sanders)

 

SANDERS

 

Kevin Henshaw

 

I am a decendant of Ernest Albert Sanders who was born on Fattorini Island and his son Percy Sanders. As you know Fattorini Island was formerly administered by the Aboriginal Protection Board until the island was sold in the 1930′s.
My question – was Ernest Albert Sanders the illigitimate child of a liason between William Sanders and an unknown Aboriginal lady who was raised by William and Mary Anne Sanders as their child. This branch of the Sanders family is rumoured to have Aboriginal ancestry and many have an olive complexion.

 

ROWE

SHARON BURT

Hi Lynne,
My name is Sharon Burt(nee Rowe)My father was Albert Clarence Rowe son of Hercules William @ Margaret Ann Anderson.I just know I’m on the right track here because I remember the names Sanders & Hurrell.I would love any info you have on Hercules, his parents, siblings etc would be much appreciated.
Regards Sharon

Hi again Lynne,I found your website the other night(very late)& was so excited.Yes I too am the GGGGGG granddaughter of Thomas Sanders & Martha Bond.My father was Albert Clarence Rowe son of Hercules William Rowe who was the son of Harriet Francis Sanders & Thomas Rowe.I can fill you in on from Hercules William onwards.
Hercules William married Margaret Ann Warneton Anderson(she died in 1918 from the Spanish flu)they lived in Balmain at the time.I am trying to find out about the Andersons her father was Alexander and her mother was Margaret.My father Albert Clarence married Jessie Summerhill(she has just turned 90 and is going great guns)So now I’m on the trail of Andersons & Summerhills.Thankyou for doing such a great job.Please keep in contact, cousin. Regards Sharon(nee Rowe)

YARRABANDINI

FRANCES COCHRANE

Hallo,
I wonder if you might know anything about John and Eliza Ward’s family. Their daughter Emma (our great-grandmother) was born on Yarrabandini in 1845. We’ve tracked the rest of the family, but can’t find when or where John Ward died. He was in the Royal Marines when he arrived in Australia.
Frances (from Lithgow)

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  1. Hello LYNNE

    My name Craig i have been trying to research on two ancestors of mine William Munro and Anne Mackay. I believe they arrived to Australia on the “James Moran” with their son Donald, While searching on the internet i came across a subject MACKAY/MUNRO/ROSS
    Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 on a family histroy forum. A few years ago i know hahaha but i believe you were finding information for a New found cousin at the time. My mum’s maid name is Munro and William Munro and Anne Mackay are my Great Great Great Great Grandparents. If you have the time could you share any Information you have on the History of Munro and Mackay families. And if you still keep in contact with your New found cousin?

  2. Hello Lynne

    My name is Craig i wasnt sure if i put my post in the right area sorry if i didnt. I’m trying to add on to my mum’s family search i believe William Munro is related as i got the baptism of the last known Munro ancestor George Munro born: 12 july 1851
    date of ceremony: 27 july 1851
    Where ceremony performed: Districts of illawarra & shoalhaven, In county of camden & St vincent
    Parents: father Donald Munro
    Mother: Janet Munro
    Abode: Shoalhaven
    Profession: farmer
    Whom the Ceremony was Performed George Mackie Presbyterian Church

    i Found someone who was looking for more information on a William Munro Born on 9th of July 1846 in Shoalhaven was the son of Donald Munro born 1 Jan 1814 in Lairg, Sutherlandshire and Janet ( Jessie ) Macpherson, born 13 feb 1822 in tongue, sutherlandshire. I was thinking Donald Munro may got married to Janet ( jessie ) Macpherson inbetween the births of William and Donald Munro making her name the Janet Munro on the baptism i have. The researcher went on to say Donald Munro came out with his parents William Munro and Ann Mackay on the ” James Moran” in 1839 i believe the researcher knew alot and even went overseas to further his research on his family and it turned out the William Munro his researched wasnt related. It’s a long shot but i hope someone can tell me if i’m on the right track?

    1. Hi Craig, I am not sure of the connection due to so many names from Scotland being clan names and therefore so similar. I shall post the details and see whether we can get a response. It certainly is the same ship as some of mine. Lets see what we can find out. Yrs L.

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      1. Thank you for the reply

        Hopefully there will be something out there, i have more information on my great great grandfather if it helps George Munro died 1894 in the dubbo district. He also married Janet E bogie in 1889 in Nyngan District. George Munro had a son William George Munro born in 1890 in Dubbo district. These are all quick searches from the ( bdm.nsw.gov.au ) website i havent got the certificates for yet but i’m not sure they will give much information on George Munro’s parents Donald Munro and Janet Munro. I only have George Munro’s baptism certificate the information i had in my last post.

        Thank you for your help

  3. Hi
    William Munro and Annie Mackay are my GGG grandparents. They had a daughter Jane Munro who married William McGrath. They in turn had a daughter Jessie McGrath who married my G grandfather Charles Bennett.

  4. Hi Lynne. My name is Phil Tarlinton. Was Vera Sanders the lady that ran the boarding house at South West Rocks. If she is I have very fond memories of spending many holidays at the boarding house growing up during the 1940’s. Would appreciate any information, phots etc that you may have. Phil Tarlinton

    1. Hi Phillip, The Vera in the pictures is my Aunt. She is not the same lady but is definitely of the same Sanders clan. Our Sanders family site on Facebook is the best for feedback. I WIll also ask them whether they have more details.

      1. Many thanks Lynne for your information. Another link to the Sanders family is that John Tarlington, note spelt with a “g” also came out on the Matilda as a prisioner. Eventually settled at Camden. His adopted son William Duggan Tarlinton, note no “g” went on to became a very large landowner around the Cobargo district. Our family is from the WD tarlinton side.m Phil Tarlinton.

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