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SANDERS IN KINCHELA

Hello

I am trying to put together the jigsaw of the early built environment at Kinchela and I am hoping you will be interested in my observations and can assist with answers to some questions.

The pieces of the jigsaw have come from references including your websites, the MRHS Walk in History Brochure, MRHS Journal No 140, School Centenary Book, Letters from Earle Waterhouse to MRHS, Kempsey Shire Council Bicentennial Oral History Project (Clifford Ball), Flo Seal’s Up and Down the River, NSW Titles Office, and Trove.

The property at what is now 3 Riverside Drive was transferred to Frederick John Sanders in 1908. The previous owner was Paddy Baulman, a baker. The property was leased to Ronald Johnston, another baker, in 1932. Do you know if the Sanders were operating a bakery at this site during their ownership?

This property was transferred to Frederick William Sanders in 1917. F W Sanders was said by Clifford Ball to have operated a one window small grocery store. Do you know where that store was located?

A “Fred W Sanders” is said to have “established a butchery on the Boggy Creek Road in the late 1890s and this was the first business associated with the Macleay River Cooperative Dairy Company.” The Macleay River Coperative Dairy Company was said to have “opened a dairy factory at Kinchela in 1891” and “in 1897 the Macleay Argus reported Frederick John Sanders was running the factory.” Frederick William Sanders was 12 years old in 1891. Do you know what actually happened and where Boggy Creek Road is?

The property at what is now 42 Riverside Drive was leased to Joe Barnett in 1934 and he operated a butchery there. It is said that the butchery closed during the war when Fred Sanders enlisted. Do you know which Fred Sanders enlisted in which war and whether he worked for Joe Barnett?

The memoirs of Earle Waterhouse say that, around 1916, Kinchela had a butcher in addition to two stores. This precedes Joe Barnett’s butchery. Two stores operating at this time were Ball’s and Johnston/Jamieson’s and that leaves no scope for the F W Sanders store reported by Clifford Ball. Do you know if any Sanders operated a butchery in Kinchela itself and, if so, where?

Photographs on Pages 15 and 31 of the school centenary book show buildings on the property at No 3 Riverside Drive that was once owned by F J and later F W Sanders. In both of these photographs, there is a single gable building between the house with the hipped roof and the Good Templars Hall. Versions of these photographs are on the Kempsey Shire Council’s web site at http://www.kempsey.nsw.gov.au/heritage_kinchela.htm There is a photograph at the Kempsey Museum that shows exactly the same situation except that the single gable building has disappeared from the Sanders property. Do you know what that building was?

The photograph on Page 26 of the school centenary book says that it is Ball’s first store. It looks more like the house with the hipped roof on the Sanders property than either of Ball’s stores. Do you know who the people in the photograph are and whether this gives a clue as to the identity of the building?

Clifford Ball lists certain early Kinchela establishments as hall, butcher, baker, carpenter, and wheelwright. The hall was at the confluence of Kinchela Creek and the river. The wheelwright was on the other side of what is now the main road to Gladstone. There were at least two bakeries operating at different times between the hall and the wheelwright (at Nos 3 and 9). This adds further interest to the possibility of an early butcher preceding Joe Barnett.

Your web site has a photograph of Alf Sanders with Tom Rowe in a cheese factory. A cheese factory at Kinchela was later owned by Arthur Shelton. The Sydney Morning Herald of 22.4.1909 reports T J Rowe and A B Shelton as graduating from the Hawkesbury Agricultural College with certificates in milk processing. T J Rowe was from Kinchela. The Certificate of Title for the property that is now Nos 5 and 7 Riverside Drive shows that this property was acquired by Thomas James Rowe in 1906. The purchase was from Julia Rowe, widow of the previous owner, John Rowe. John and Julia Rowe’s children were George and Alice. Do you know if Tom, T J,, and Thomas James Rowe are all the same person and what is the relationship with John and Julia Rowe? I can see that the Rowe family tree shows many Thomas Rowes.

Kinchela Creek Post Office was established by John Rowe in 1880. Rowe was said to be a “storekeeper” but the Post Office business was said to be conducted “at his residence.” Rowe’s ownership of land at what is now 3-7 and 32-34 Riverside Drive was registered in 1887. Do you know where the residence and store were located?

Dudley Johnston, storekeeper, took over the Post Office in 1907. He purchased the land from Julia Rowe’s estate in 1912. He had the Paragon Store (later the Big Store leased to George Jamieson) on this property. Do you know when the store was constructed and if the previous Post Office building remained in use? Photographs of the store, both as Johnston’s Paragon Store and Jamieson’s Big Store, show an older smaller building immediately to the south.

The family trees show very little information about George Wickham Rowe, son of John and Julia Rowe. There is not even a date of birth or date of death. Flo Seal’s book shows that he ran the Post Office for a short time immediately after his father’s death in 1890 and then again from 1897 to 1907. Do you know what he did in between these dates? Was he running the Rowe family store perhaps?

The available evidence points to the hypothesis that John Rowe’s residence and Post Office were at No 5 Riverside Drive and his store was at No 34. This would allow the recorded move of the Post Office in 1897 to have been from the residence to the store. The Post Office could then have continued with the Rowe family, after the residence was sold in 1906, until 1907 when it was taken over by Johnston. Johnston would have leased from Julia Rowe until he purchased the property at No 32-34 from Julia Rowe’s estate in 1912. He would then have built his new store beside the old one.

According to the Certificate of Title, Charles Ball acquired the land for his second Kinchela store from James Maslin in 1903. Clifford Ball says that it was c1912/1916 when Charles Ball bought from Maslin and built a house and shop. A mud map drawn by Earle Waterhouse shows Ball’s second store with the annotation “replaced abandoned house occupied by Aborigines.” Waterhouse’s family came to Kinchela in 1912 when he was a young lad. Do you know if Charles Ball waited many years after buying the land before building on it?

Could you please let me know if my observations are of interest to you and if you might be able to provide answers to any of my questions?

Jon Henry

Kinchela was gazetted as a village in 1885 or 1886 but the locality was known by the name Kinchela long before, as was the creek which enters the Macleay River close by.
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THE HURRELLS

COURTESY OF BARB MILLER.

BARB HAS GENEROUSLY PROVIDED ME WITH THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:

Lucy Jane Hurrell married Frederick Sanders. Lucy was descended from JOHN HURRELL and his second wife. JOHN HURRELL was born in 1828 in CAWSTON NORFOLK, to MARK and ELIZABETH HURRELL according to his immigration record. He also had cousins called JOHN HURRELL. Our JOHN died on 14 January 1908 on the MACLEAY RIVER NSW. 

John’s father was MARK HURRELL. Mark married twice. Elizabeth was his first wife.  Mary Warner was his second. He was an Agricultural  labourer living in Eastgate, Cawston in 1851 census. aged 53, widower with his son Thomas and Mark’s brother John aged 60 (pensioner- from services – Chelsea Hospital ) widower and John’s children Susanna and Ann M. I don’t know how many other children Mark had with either of his wives.

John married firstly to HARRIET TENPENNY ABBOTT in Holbeach Lincolnshire England in Mar 14 1849 ( Folio XIV page 561) then living at SUTTON CROSSES, SUTTON ST MARY LINCOLNSHIRE in 1851. Occupation Farm Labourer. Came to Australia on the BEEJAPORE in 1853 with Harriet. Dreadful conditions on this ship with many deaths and illnesses. Harriet died in 1853. John could read and write and paid two pound for his  and his wife’s passage to Australia.  On immigration records at State records NSW he was living in LONG SUTTON, Lincolnshire prior to emigration and knew noone in the colony. Mother Elizabeth deceased prior to his departure for Australia. No children of marriage to Harriet.

John remarried : ELLEN CROWE 26/11/1854 in Parish of St Lawrence in the County of Cumberland NSW. (C of E ) 677/41B. Witnesses: FREDERICK LOUIS WILLIAM HERRMANN of Castlereagh St Sydney, and JANE HERRMANN of Castlereagh St Sydney. Age 37. Occupation Farmer at time of Thomas’ birth in 1865. Buried FREDERICKTON CEMETERY McLeay River NSW Row M C of E Section.  ELLEN CROWE was the daughter of MICHAEL CROWE and was born in DUBLIN IRELAND in c 1831. She died at at McLeay River on 12/2/1899.

JOHN AND ELLEN HURRELL HAS THE FOLLOWING CHILDREN:

 

    BORN MARRIED DIED
1 JOHN 1855 SYDNEY   1875 MACLEAY RIVER
2 ELIZA MARY 12/2/1858 SYDNEY 3/8/1939 WILLIAM SANDERS  
3 LUCY JANE 1861 MACLEAY RIVER NSW FREDERICK SANDERS  
4 MARK 1862 MACLEAY RIVER RUTH HENRY 27/7/1910 MCLEAY RIVER
5 MARY 1863 WILLIAM PRICE  
6 THOMAS DENNIS 10 MAY 1865 KINCHELA CK ISABELLA SMAILES  
7 ELLEN MATILDA 1867 MCLEAY RIVER   1943 ASHFIELD NSW
8 JAMES 1869 MCLEAY RIVER   1946 LIVERPOOL
9 ANN 1872    
10 GEORGE 1873 MCLEAY RIVER   1875 MCLEAY RIVER

 

BARB MILLER TELLS ME THAT THE INFORMATION BELOW WAS GIVEN TO HER FROM YVONNE SZWEDYE’S WEBSITE “FOR THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE” ON ROOTSWEB. I WOULD PROVIDE A LINK BUT HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE THE PAGE.  ( LET ME KNOW IF I CAN FIX THIS ONE UP )

THIS GENERATION BELOW IS MY OWN GRANDFATHER JOHN GEORGE’S .

 

THESE ARE THE CHILDREN OF LUCY JANE AND FREDERICK SANDERS.

    BORN MARRIED DIED
1 FREDERICK WILLIAM 13/2/1879 EUPHEMIA NELSON 27/7/1950
2 JOHN GEORGE 10/4/1881 ELIZABETH CRAIG 10/11/1950
3 MAUD EVELYN 13/6/1883   14/6/1954
4 CLARENCE MACLEAY 13/7/1885 BEATRICE DANGERFIELD 15/5/1960
5 META MAY 24/10/1887   29/8/1888
6 CLEMENT CONSTANT 15/9/1889 ELLEN WOODWARD 31/1/1961
7 JANIE 27/10/1894   4/8/1903
8 HERBERT BURDETT 6/11/1896   23/7/1916