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MCLEOD ON CONDONG PLAINS

So far we have placed John and Normal Bell with their families on the TWEED RIVER. We also have their sister Wilhelmina who married GEORGE DINSEY. There is a MR BELL christian name unknown supervising at ABBOTSFORD MILL( I don’t yet know which mill that was. ) Now a JOHN MCLEOD appears and McLeod is the maiden name of the mother WILHELMINA who came on the JAMES MORAN in 1839. She had other children with her whose names I don’t as yet have.

WANTED to Let, on Clearing Leases, Seven FARMS, of from forty to fifty acres each; fine scrub land; river frontage, Tweed River ¡ eight miles from the Heads. Apply to Mr. JOHN M’LEOD, Condong Plains, Tweed River ; or E. W. S. HAYLEY, Southgate, Clarence River. 2575

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1295006

The Brisbane Courier Friday 30 August 1872, page 1.

This is 3 years after JOHN BELL acquires his land and 6 years before he married MARY ANN MCNEIL.

 

And in 1881;

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article919217

he Brisbane Courier Saturday 30 April 1881, page 5

“Unique” writes from the Tweed River:
” On the evening of Easter Monday the rather monotonous course of life on the Tweed was broken by a ball given by the employes of the C.S.R. Company, and which, under the kind auspices of Mr. and Mrs Isaacs, bids fair to become one of the annual events of the neighbourhood. A range of the barracks had been prepared for the festive occasion, and, although the weather was unpropitious, a goodly array of the votaries of Terpsichore assembled. The room had  been most effectively decorated by the hands of f$air neighbours-wreaths, crowns, and pendants of varied colours relieved tbe sombre green of the foliage with which the walls and roof had been profusely ornamented, and with the brilliancy of the lights and the bright eyes and flowing drapery of the ladies, combined to produce a tout ensemble seldom seen in the neighbourhood. Dancing commenced at 8 o’clock to the enlivening strains of three musicians, and dance succeeded dance in rapid succession till long past the small hours of the morning. At a late hour the party broke up with many expressions of pleasure on the part of the hosts that their guests had been sufficiently enterprising to brave such stormy weather, and of hope that on a future occasion Condong might again be honoured by their presence.

 

 

THE COTTAGE

THE COTTAGE BILAMBIL 2008

James had been born to John and Mary Ann by this time and Norman was born in 1881.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3429862 FROM BRISBANE COURIER THURSDAY MAY 8 . In 1884, Mr T Steel from the CONDONG MILL sent a large series of animals to the QUEENSLAND MUSEUM for nomenaclature.and two of those were included in science and named as follows;

    1. a tree frog resembling in coloration an American  species. Now named HYLA FENESTRATA and
    2. a fish of the GENUS GALAXUS which was to be described as GALAXIAS BREVIANALUS

The ABBOTSFORD MILL I find in the BRISBANE COURIER 5 AUGUST 1882 was erected near the JUNCTION – the village now called TUMBULGUM. This one did not belong to the massive COLONIAL SUGAR REFINING COMPANY to which CONDONG belonged. It belonged to PRINGLE, SHANKY and CO. Small but enterprising beginners.  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3412851

 

IN 1886 the schooner CONDONG, of the TWEED RIVER, was carrying logs of beech, cedar and pine into BRISBANE. In the same year a general servant was wanted for the CONDONG MILL at 15s per week.

IN 1889 E DOWLING of Condong won 900 pounds in the  TATTERSALLS MELBOURNE- CUP SWEEPS.

And in 1892, the BELLS went south to LAURIETON. Some of the family remained. Wilhelmina Dinsey for one.

AND FROM TUMBULGUM, where I lived from 2002-2005;

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3701412

The Brisbane Courier Tuesday 12 September 1899,

A correspondent of a New South Wales
top-country paper questions whether the
Hunter district is entitled to the credit of
producing the largest pumpkins. He says :
-” I read an account of prolific pumpkins
in the Hunter. The Hunter may be a won-
derful place for pumpkins, but a neighbour
of mine, at Tumbulgum, lost a sow not long

since. He searched everywhere for several
days without success, and at last came to
the conclusion that she was dead.- But one
day, while riding across his farm, he no-

ticed something peculiar about one of his
pumpkins. He rode over to see, and was
surprised to find his sow. She had eaten
her way into the pumpkin, made a bed, and
had a litter of thirteen young ones all inside
the pumpkin

 

the DEATH OF GEORGE DINSEY http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3963005

BACK ON THE TWEED RIVER

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WHATEVER it was the BELLs were doing, they are listed as landholders from 1869-1890 , Norman and Agnes have JANET LAURIE and WILLIMINA here in 1871 and 1872, JOHN and MARY ANN have children on the Tweed between 1879 and 1890 and at least JANET LAURIE marries in Murwillumbah in 1898.

JAMES and WILHELLMINA BELL’s children  are listed at the time of Wilhelmina’s death 2 March 1903 as;

NAME AGE COMMENTS ON NSW BDM LISTINGS
MARY(LAURIE) 57

MARY’s marriage is listed as 1866 to ALEXANDER J  LAWRIE in DUNGOG . DOD Stroud 1918

WILHELMINA(DINSEY) 56

MARRIES GEORGE DINSEY IN 1865 IN DUNGOG. This would indicate that Wilhelmina was Mrs Dinsey by the time the Bells moved north. Dinsey Creek is between Condong and Tumbulgum. She dies in 1911 in Murwillumbah.

NORMAN 54 Married AGNES in 1870 at DUNGOG
JOHN 52 Marries MARY ANN MCNEIL in 1878 at TAREE
MARGARET(MCEACHRAN) 50

Listed as an 1880 marriage to  MACEACHRAN JOHN IN LISMORE
Death recorded in 1920 at MURRUMBURRAH.

ELIZABETH(WALKER) 48 I cannot find a WALKER marrying a BELL as yet but ELIZABETH WALKER does die in 1948 in GLOUCESTER.
CHRISTINA(QUIRK) 47 Nor for CHRISTINA as yet but I do have her death In Murwillumbah in 1944 so she was a Tweed woman.

 

 

JOHN and MARY ANN’s 9 children with places and years of birth;

JAMES
1879
TWEED RIVER

NORMAN
1881
TWEED RIVER

ANNE MCLEOD
1883
TWEED RIVER in 1918 married STANLEY WITCHARD in TAREE.

JANET
1885
TWEED RIVER

LESLIE DONALD RAYMOND
1887
TWEED RIVER

MARY HENRIETTA
1890
MURWILLUMBAH married THOMAS MCLENNAN IN TAREE 1914

ROY MCNEIL
1895
LAURIETON

WILHELMINA ELIZABETH
1897
LAURIETON

WILLIAM ALLEN MARRIED JESSIE SARAH READY

 

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JOHN BELL LANDHOLDER PRIOR TO 1892

 

YOUNGBUTTS ETC 018 YOUNGBUTTS ETC 019
ALONG THE TWEED RIVER NEAR CONDONG EARLY 2008
YOUNGBUTTS ETC 017 YOUNGBUTTS ETC 016
IN THE VICINITY OF THE BELL LAND ON TWEED VALLEY WAY

 

 

 

JOHN BELL’S land survey is dated 1869. His marriage to MARY ANN MCNEIL took place 27 June 1878 down South in the Taree district. Was he in the north before that or did he not come north until that time ? 

From ROY BURTON; at the time of the marriage John gave his place of residence as RAWDON VALE district of GLOUCESTER. Witnesses to the marriage were JOSEPH LAURIE and MARGARET BELL. JOSEPH LAURIE Senior owned property in the RAWDON VALE locality. The witness Joseph was probably the 5th son of Joseph Snr. Refer to the Early History of the Camden Haven p 16. “THE LAURIES”. He was probably best man and was living at PEACH GROVE now known as LAURIETON at the time of the marriage. MARGARET BELL is possibly JOHN’S SISTER. It is possible John worked for the Lauries at Rawdon Vale. After the wedding they moved to the Tweed River where John was cane farming. he was invalided after an accident and the family move from the Tweed to Laurieton in 1892. John died in 1919 and Mary Ann died in 1935.

We still have not located JOHN’S birth in BDMS.

 

CONNECTIONS FROM MURWILLUMBAH AND THE TWEED – BELLS, BIGNELLS, LAURIES AND MORE

NORMAN BELL was the older brother of JOHN BELL wife of MARY ANN MCNEIL. They had adjoining land at CONDONG on the TWEED.

Their parents were JAMES AND WILHELMINA as noted elsewhere. James was the housebreaker transported from Glasgow in 1831 on the YORK and WILHELMINA was the daughter of WILLIAM MCLEOD and JANET MACKAY who came on the JAMES MORAN in 1839. They married in 1839 at MAITLAND when WILHELMINA was 17 years old. Check in the search engine to the right for further details. It appears at this time that the Mcleods and Mackays came as a result of the ruthless clearances of the Sutherland Shires in the HIGHLANDS of Scotland. In the 1860s the BELL boys have land on the TWEED. The NSW BDM records indicate that their father JAMES died in 1859( to be verified). I do not know what brought the boys ( and perhaps more members of their family north from the Maitland Area). Land is also indicated to belong to WILHELLMINA BELL – mother ? sister ? daughter ?

NORMAN BELL was born 1845 and died 15 June 1924 . He is buried in BARRINGTON CEMETERY. His occupations are listed at TWEED RIVER HISTORICAL SOCIETY as farmer/grazier. Whilst on Tweed he was resident at CONDONG. Norman married in 1870 at DUNGOG NSW. His wife was AGNES FRASER HIGGINS and her mother was JANET LAURIE. As my mother used to tell me the BELLS and the LAURIES were ‘tied in somehow”. Her father was JOHN HIGGINS. Agnes Higgins was born at Pt Stephens in 1846 and died in CHATSWOOD, SYDNEY in 1929.

Their children;

names birthdate and place marriage date and spouse death date and place
JANET LAURIE 1871 TWEED RIVER 1898 GEORGE BIGNELL MURWILLUMBAH  
WILLIMINA A 1872 TWEED RIVER JOHN A. GUNN COPELAND 1895 1911 STROUD NSW
JAMES WALTER 1874 PORT STEPHENS   15-8-1886 NSW
AGNES MARY 1876 PORT STEPHENS GORDON A D CLARK STROUD 1915  
ELIZABETH J 1878 PORT STEPHENS JOHN STACE PORT STEPHENS 1903
MARGARET CHRISTINA 1881 BARRINGTON THOMAS FARLEY CRICK SYDNEY 1907  
MARY HENRIETTA 1883 COPELAND WILLIAM JAMES MARTIN STROUD 1907 22-8-1938 KRAMBACH NSW
JOHN JAMES 1889 COPELAND   1923 BARRINGTON
NOREINE F 1893 COPELAND    

From these dates it appears Norman left the Tweed district by the early 1870s whereas John’s Children are born on Tweed between 1879 and 1890 with the youngest being born at Laurieton in the early 90s. Hmm. A rethink required again.

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THE INFORMATION I HAVE IS THAT NO 49 IS JOHN BELL’S LAND . ( YET TO BE VERIFIED AS ONE MAP INDICATES CONDONG AND ONE IS FURTHER ALONG NEAR STOTTS CREEK)

 

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GEORGE  BIGNELL. IN 1898 AT MURWILLUMBAH MARRIED JANET LAURIE BELL DAUGHTER OF NORMAN BELL WHO WAS BROTHER OF JOHN BELL, GRANNY’S HUSBAND.  http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=22518

 

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FROM THE NATIONAL LIBRARY OF AUSTRALIA HISTORIC NEWSPAPERS

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1368785

There is mention of a MR BELL managing the ABBOTSFORD SUGAR MILL on the TWEED.

 

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MURWILLUMBAH LINKS

http://www.mit.edu/~dfm/genealogy/sercombe.html Sercombe Families

TWEED RIVER

THANKS TO THE TWEED RIVER HISTORICAL SOCIETY, I HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BELLS ON THE TWEED. AT CONDONG CREEK.

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TWEED RIVER AT TUMBULGUM NEAR THE BELL LAND.

MT WARNING FROM BILAMBIL.

TUMBULGUM STORE.

 

James Bell’s widow, Wilhelmina Bell (b 1820) did not remarry. She died in 1903 under the name Bell as a widow. She was 83. She was the daughter of William McLeod and Janey McKay. She died on the 2nd March 1903. She married James Bell at age 17 years at Maitland.

At the time of her death her children were:

Mary (Laurie) 57 Wilhelmina (Dinsey) 56
Norman 54 John 52
Margaret (McEachran) 50 Elizabeth (Walker) 48
Christina (Quirk) 47  

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Now John it was who was married to Granny Bell ( Mary Ann Mc Neill) . He had land on the Tweed from 1869 till app 1890 when they went South and Laurieton became the centre of our Bell universe. My own Grandfather Mick Bell ( William Allen) was one of their children. Mick ( Poppa Bell) and Jessie Sarah Ready ( Nana Bell) spent most of their married lives in Redfern and then in TWEEDMOUTH Avenue , ROSEBERY . Coincidence ?

Now in the 21st Century , Lynne Bell Sanders, lives in Bilambil on the Tweed and lived from 2002-2005 in TUMBULGUM which is within 5 kilometres of where the 3 BELLS had their land grants . That was Norman, John and Wilhelmina. Susan Sanders Pomroy lives in Port Macquarie within kilometres of LAURIETON. ( Note that Mary Bell married a LAURIE) . 

https://lynnesheritage.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bells-and-dinseys-and-tweed-pt-2/

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THE TWEED FROM THE NATIONAL LIBRARY AUSTRALIA NEWSPAPERS DIGITISATION PROJECT.

 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2186819

SYDNEY GAZETTE 1826

It is thought by some, that the river lately discovered by Captain Logan, 50 miles to the South  of Moreton-bay, and immediately under Mount Warning, designated the DARLING RIVER, is the same of which the late Mr. Uniacke speaks, in Judge Field’s compiled work on this Colony

Mr.Uniacke accompanied Mr. Oxley in a tour to Moreton-bay, and it appears that they fell in with a bay, or river, to the south of Moreton-bay, to which the name of the Tweed was given, but we cannot bring ourselves to believe that the Tweed and the Darling are one and the same,

READ ON.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2188791

THE STORY OF CAPTAIN LOGAN’S EXPLORATION SOUTH OF MORETON BAY AND DOWN TO MT WARNING

The Sydney Gazette and… Friday 17 August 1827, page 2

June 13th. Continued my route eastward, over a very diflicult and mountainous country ; at length perceived Mount Warning, direct in my course   READ ON

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2193237

The Sydney Gazette and… Saturday 22 August 1829, page 2.

EXTRACT FROM THE DIARY OF CAPTAIN BARBUS HM COLONIAL SCHOONER “ALLIGATOR” : AS HE SEARCHES IN 1827 FOR THE WRECK OF THE “ELIZABETH”, POWDITCH. BETWEEN CAPE BYRON AND THE SOLITARY ISLES. COMING ACROSS  RIVER ENTRANCES AND BARS AND NOTING THE LATITUDES ETC. THE HEADLANDS OF CAPE BYRON AND POINT DANGER PROVIDE THE PRIMARY SIGNIFICANT LANDMARKS FOR THESE RIVER MOUTHS.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2193497

The Sydney Gazette and… Saturday 26 September 1829

THE CONCLUSION OF AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY A MEMBER OF CAPTAIN LOGAN’S PARTY  EXPLORING THE NORTHERN RIVERS.
HE TELLS OF PIERCING COLD AND A PLAIN COVERED WITH EMU.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2201896

The Sydney Gazette and… Saturday 26 December 1835, page 2.

A PROSPECTUS IS ISSUED FOR A COMPANY WHICH ENCOMPASSES MUCH OF THE NORTH.

“……..the territory within the limits specified in the Prospectus, possesses no less than five large beautiful rivers; viz. the M’Leay, or the Trial of Cunningham, the Brimbo, or the Big River, the Brisbane, one unnamed as yet, which empties itself into the sea near Double Point, and the Boyne, besides the Tweed, and a multiplicity of minor ones; and that it possesses numerous harbours, bays, and roadsteads for the anchorage of shipping; some of them as yet but very imperfectly known ”

READ ON

This article has implications for many matters including immigration which is the method by which Wilhelmina Mcleod and her mother Janet Mackay later came from the SUTHERLAND SHIRE ( arriving in 1839 ) . THIS IS THE STORY OF A GRAND VISION.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article678614

The Maitland Mercury… Wednesday 28 January 1846, page 3.

The Barque, GOLDEN FLEECE, 120 tons , CAPTAIN JOHNSON,arrived in Sydney from the RIVER TWEED with 70,000 feet CEDAR.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article680149

The steamer, THISTLE, making its way between SYDNEY and MORETON BAY spotted a large boat on the beach. Unable to land a boat due to conditions the Thistle proceeded into Moreton Bay to discover that two of the crew had arrived there. The boat belonged to Mr Burgess and had been making its way from TWEED to MORETON BAY.

READ ON

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article682934

The Maitland Mercury… Saturday 11 July 1846,

THE death of two sawyers is reported on THE TWEED RIVER. A murder it was.

READ ON

 

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article683611

The Maitland Mercury… Saturday 8 August 1846, page 2

THE barque Golden Fleece and the cutter Catherine still remained bar-bound at the Tweed ; the crew of the latter had been overland to Brisbane to obtain supplies.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article684452

The Maitland Mercury… Wednesday 2 September 1846, page 2

Loss of the ” Coolangatta.”-The Tamar, steamer, which arrived on Sunday from Moreton Bay, brought intelligence of the loss of the schooner Coolangatta, which vessel was driven ashore from her anchors in a gale of wind a short distance to the northward of the River Tweed

                         1846

ARRIVAL IN SYDNEY

Golden Fleece, barque, 120 tons, Captain Collins, from the Tweed, with a cargo of cedar.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article696503

The Maitland Mercury… Saturday 9 February 1850, page 4

A NUMBER OF NEW POLICE DISTRICTS ARE FORMED. ONE OF THESE IS :

47:  Tabulam-In the squatting district of Clarence, and embracing the county of Rous, and part of the county of Richmond, bounded on the north by the range dividing the waters of the Logan, and other rivers from those of the Clarence, Richmond, and Tweed Rivers, from Point Danger to the great dividing range , on the west by the great dividing range, and a Line bearing south crossing the Rocky River at a point where the banks close in abruptly, about miles east of “Frocester,” Mr Bloxsome”s station, to a line bearing east from the Bolivia Range , on the south by that line to the Clarence River, thence by a line bearing north-east to the range dividing the waters of the Clarence and Richmond Rivers, and by that range to the sea , and on the east by the sea to Point Danger aforesaid

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article680846

The Maitland Mercury… Saturday 23 August 1851, page 3.

The Effort, from the Tweed River, reports the Ocean Queen, schooner, ashore on the North Head of the Tweed Bar, on the 12th instant, and not likely to be got off

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article679073

The Maitland Mercury… Wednesday 8 October 1851

ARRIVALS OF STEAMERS IN SYDNEY

Naughten, from the Tweed River, with
34,000 feet cedar

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article667445

The Maitland Mercury… Saturday 28 May 1853,

ARRIVALS OF COASTERS.

Flirt, from the Tweed, with 30,000 feet cedar ;

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article682053

                       1853

EXPORTS TO LONDON FROM THE NORTHERN RIVERS
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2458489

The Courier (Hobart,… Saturday 21 March 1857, page 2.

LOSS OF ANOTHER SHIP ON THE TWEED BAR – THE “FAVOURITE ” .
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1279444

The Brisbane Courier Saturday 30 September 1865

A HARD CASE – A story  of mistaken identity as Mr William Smith of the TWEED RIVER assists a friend in tracking down a horse thief.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1302592

The Brisbane Courier Saturday 24 April 1869, page 4.

The ketch Maid of the Mill has arrived, with a small parcel from the Tweed River

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1297593

The Brisbane Courier Saturday 2 October 1869, page 4.

CLEARANCE.

October 1.-Sarah and Jane, cutter, 15 tons, Captain W. Griffin, for the Tweed River. Passengers : Mr. and Mrs. W. Jones and family (3), Mr. and Mrs. Hy. Carey and family (4).

 

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1297561

The Brisbane Courier Saturday 2 October 1869, page 4.

THE MAIZE TRADE BECOMES BIG ON TWEED
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1303128

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1300217

THE KETCH MAGGIE LOGAN 1869
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1302073

The Brisbane Courier Saturday 20 November 1869, page 4.

Maize maintains its price, but the supply seems to be small The shipment from the Tweed River by the Sarah and Jane realised 4s 3d per bushel

 

 

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A LETTER FROM JOSEPH LAURIE

The BELLS were closely associated with the LAURIES and LAURIETON.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article814750

TIMBER RESERVES.

(To the Editor of the Maitland Mercury.)

SIR,-I notice in your issue of the 8th inst., a letter on the reservation of timber, signed by Thomas Shaw, I believe some of his hints are good, and as this is a matter which concerns many, perchance a hint from one who has had 40 years’ experience may not be out of place. So I will be as brief as possible, and confine myself to a few remarks only.

First-The wilful and shameful destruction of timber. At present the law is, that any man holding a license can go on to Government land (except Reserves) and cut away at any tree or sapling he thinks fit. No one has a right to interfere with him, so long as he holds his license ; he is never asked what he means to do with the timber he falls. No doubt you will say, surely no man on earth will fall timber without making use of it. But I can prove to you that it has been done, and that in a wholesale manner. On the Nambucca there have been hundreds of trees, both cedar and pine, cut down many years ago. And they are still there, and will ever remain so, as they are now too rotten for any use. On Camden Haven, a few years ago, the inhabitants took a sudden fit and cut down every beech tree that could be found ; in fact millions of feet, and there it lies, rotting on the ground ; and many a tree of hardwood as well-and yet the people who cut the said timber had no way of removing it to market. So there it remains, a loss to the man who would have used it, a loss to the colony, and a loss to the world at large. And yet the present licensing system allows this wholesale destruction, Surely this system could be improved upon, and before I close I shall give you my idea on the matter, and I hope some of your readers will give a better.

Second,-I will now make a few remarks on the reservation of timber. Government has adopted a plan of making a reserve of certain portions of land in various places on the East Coast, for the sake of preserving timber. My opinion is, the plan is rotten in the core. The reserves are made where the best timber is to be found. So far so good. But tell me what they mean by preserving timber that has arrived at its full growth, and every day turning back to its mother earth. This seems to me to be wilful waste, and almost as bad as the men who cut timber and leave it to rot. I may be wrong, but I am against all special timber reserves. I would say, throw it open, and let us have free trade, and encourage colonial industry. At the same time I would make it the special duty of the local constable to ascertain if each man had a license, and what they were cutting for ; see that they mean to use the timber they ore cutting down. And above all, see that no hardwood timber is cut down less than two feet, or six feet in girth, three feet from the ground. This would be preserving timber in the right way ; for timber in this country does not take so long to grow as some think it does, I know large trees that were only saplings thirty years ago ; and at this place we have trees a foot through that were only whipsticks six years ago. And Mr. Hibbard, of Port Macquarie, tells me he knows trees at Shoalhaven three feet through that were mere saplings seventeen years ago (spotted gum). I will now draw to a close, and I trust that some other hand will take the matter up. I have merely given my own opinion, and I think any one who does so deserves a certain amount of credit, let him be right or wrong If I was to go on and state the use and durability of each kind of tree I do not know where I would end.

Third.- This much I may say : people must not run away with the idea that because timber is of a certain kind it must be good. Such is not the case. For instance, the ironbark at this place is a poor wood indeed ; at Gloucester, the kitchen at the old accommodation house was shingled with ironbark shingles in the year 1836, yet the roof is waterproof. It depends on the ground and locality where the timber is grown, In the school house, in Port Macquarie, the rafters are saplings, known as the leaf tea-tree ; and although they were put there under the cruel lash and the bitter years of tyranny, yet the said rafters are as sound as the day they were put there.

-Yours respectfully,

J0SEPH LAURIE.

Laurieton, 14th January, 1881.

[We need scarcely say that we shall be glad at any time to receive and publish letters such as the above, and we hope the important subject of timber conservation will receive due public attention till amendment in the law and “practice is achieved.

James Bell was transported for housebreaking in 1831. He married Wilhelmina McLeod on 29/9/1840 at the SCOTS CHURCH, PATERSON. Wilhelmina was the daughter of WILLIAM MCLEOD and JANET MACKAY and was 17 years old when she married JAMES.

Their son , JOHN BELL, married Mary Ann McNeil in Taree on 27th June 1878. At the time John gave his place of residence as RAWDON VALE , district of Gloucester. Roy Burton was told by a now deceased aunt that John’s parents were James and Wilhelmina which we now know to be so.  Witnesses to the marriage of John and Mary Ann were JOSEPH LAURIE and MARGARET BELL. Joseph Laurie Snr owned property at RAWDON VALE locality. The witness Joseph Laurie was probably the fifth son of Joseph Senior. (Refer to “EARLY HISTORY OF THE CAMDEN HAVEN” Page 16. The LAURIES.The LAURIES were then living at PEACH GROVE now known as LAURIETON.

John’s eldest sister married a LAURIE. His brother NORMAN BELL married AGNES FRASER whose mother was JANET LAURIE and named their daughter JANET LAURIE BELL.

When John Bell and Granny Bell left the Tweed they lived the rest of their lives in LAURIETON.

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An article with Joseph Laurie presiding as magistrate

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article862425

The Maitland Mercury… Thursday 23 November 1882, page 6

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10 12 laurieton hotel

LAURIETON HOTEL 10 2 laurieton

NATIONAL LIBRARY AUSTRALIA NEWSPAPERS : CONDONG ON THE TWEED RIVER

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Having found the NLA NEWSPAPERS: I am deeply engaged in HUNTING through them. These are a very good find. Free access and the opportunity to assist with editing the electronically transcribed articles. Easy and efficient and a treasure trove. 1803 to 1945. Who knows what’s hidden in there ? Today I am looking at Condong. Condong is a wee village on the Tweed River of NSW. Close to Tumbulgum and Murwillumbah. The significance for us is that John and Norman Bell had land on the River somewhere along the stretch between Condong and Tumbulgum.  The Tweed Heads Historical Society added this dimension to my knowledge of the family earlier this year. Stunned me. They have an image of Bells’ Wharf which I shall purchase at some time and put up here.   I have taken some Photographs myself at Dinsey Creek and across the river where perhaps the land was.

John Bell was known to have 100 acres of land at Condong in 1869 but had left the area by 1892 following an accident which left him invalided. (https://lynnesheritage.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/granny-bell-a-legend-in-her-own-lifetime/) Condong Creek it says. Portion no. 30.  His brother Norman had 300 acres adjoining and sister Wilhelmina had 55 acres.(according to LANDS RECORD DATA TWEED VALLEY 1866-1966 OF TWDHS)

NATIONAL LIBRARY AUSTRALIA NEWSPAPERS : CONDONG

WANTED to Let, on Clearing Leases,Seven

FARMS, of from forty to fifty acres

Help fix this text!

each ; fine scrub land ; river frontage, Tweed

River; eight miles from the Heads. Apply to

Mr. JOHN M’LEOD

 

I have included this one because John Bell’s mother Wilhellmina was a McLeod. Wilhelmina married James Bell a convict from Glasgow in the Hunter district at Paterson . In 1869 John Bell had land on the Tweed at Condong . Is John McLeod a connection ?

NATIONAL LIBRARY OF AUSTRALIA NEWSPAPERS : CONDONG

Having found the NLA NEWSPAPERS: I am deeply engaged in HUNTING through them. These are a very good find. Free access and the opportunity to assist with editing the electronically transcribed articles. Easy and efficient and a treasure trove. 1803 to 1945. Who knows what’s hidden in there ? Today I am looking at Condong. Condong is a wee village on the Tweed River of NSW. Close to Tumbulgum and Murwillumbah. The significance for us is that John and Norman Bell had land on the River somewhere along the stretch between Condong and Tumbulgum.  The Tweed Heads Historical Society added this dimension to my knowledge of the family earlier this year. Stunned me. They have an image of Bells’ Wharf which I shall purchase at some time and put up here.   I have taken some Photographs myself at Dinsey Creek and across the river where perhaps the land was.

John Bell was known to have 100 acres of land at Condong in 1869 but had left the area by 1892 following an accident which left him invalided.

 

WANTED to Let, on Clearing Leases,Seven

FARMS, of from forty to fifty acres

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each ; fine scrub land ; river frontage, Tweed

River; eight miles from the Heads. Apply to

Mr. JOHN M’LEOD,

 

BELLS LISTED AT KYNNUMBOON ( TWEED)

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JOHN AND NORMAN AS FARMERS.

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BELLS AND DINSEYS AND TWEED PT 2

My thanks to Bill Bainbridge at Tweed Historical Society for the following information.

James widow, Wilhelmina Bell (b 1820) did not remarry. She died in 1903 under the name Bell as a widow. She was 83. She was the daughter of William McLeod and Janey McKay. She died on the 2nd March 1903. She married James Bell at age 17 years at Maitland.
At the time of her death her children were:
Mary (Laurie) 57
Wilhelmina (Dinsey) 56
Norman 54
John 52
Margaret (McEachran) 50
Elizabeth (Walker) 48
Christina (Quirk) 47
None deceased.
Given the spacing of the children, there would be no reason to suppose that John was other than the natural child.
Norman was born in 1845. Registered. Presbyterian Parish of Denbie V 1845513 162. So I guess John was born in 1847. Like you I can find no record of his birth.
We hold varying levels of information on the Dinseys, Quirks, Lauries (Not much), McEachrans and the McLeods.

BELLS AND DINSEYS AND TWEED

Bill Bainbridge from Tweed has sent me the followi suggestions :
It was not uncommon in those days for families to foster children of friends where the natural kids parents had died or had had accidents. We have one case here on the Tweed with the Boyd family also circa 1850, and any number later on.
It would be unlikely that there would be formal adoptions and records at this time.
Options:
1. I take it that there are records of birth for Elizabeth and that they were not twins?
2. Depending on the month she was born it could give you an idea whether it was true whether John was born in 1850 or not, if they were separate births.
3. That he was born on a boat coming to Australia
4. That he was older than you think and born overseas.
Do you know where the Bell’s came from and when?

JOHN BELL : EMAIL FROM ROY BURTON

Hi Lynne,
Thanks for the e-mail re John Bell. I followed up and made contact with Tweed Heads Historical Society on Thursday and they said they would be in touch with me when they re-opened on Tuesday.
I’ve been unable to verify John’s birth details.  Maybe he was born overseas or his birth was never registered.
I believe his Father was James and Mother was Wilhelmina.  James died in 1852 and Wilhelmina re-married to George Dinsey 1865.  She died in 1911.  Their children were Norman 1845, Margaret 1848, Elizabeth 1850 and Christina 1852 or 1853 but no John appears.  John died in 1919 at Laurieton, Taree District.
I’ll attach a few of my notes which I passed on to the Historical Society.
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Subject: John Bell Landholder prior to 1892
I am a member of Granville Historical Society and am currently researching my wife’s family.
Her Grandfather’s name is John Bell and I have tracked him to THE TWEED after his marriage to Mary Ann Mc Neil in Taree on 27 June 1878.
For your information I’m including what notes I have made  in my search.
At the time of the marriage John gave his place of residence as Rawdon Vale district of Gloucester. From a deceased Aunt I was told that John’s parents were James Bell and Wilhelmina.Witnesses to the marriage were Joseph Laurie (of Laurieton fame) and Margaret Bell.
Joseph Laurie Senior owned property at Rawdon Vale locality. The witness Joseph,was probably the fifth son of Joseph senior.
Refer to “Early History of the Camden Haven” Page 16. “The Lauries”.He was probably Best Man and was living at “Peach Grove” now known as Laurieton, at the time of the marriage. Margaret Bell is possibly John’s sister.
It’s possible John worked for Lauries at Rawdon Vale. After the Wedding they moved to the Tweed River where John was Canefarming.
He was Invalided after an accident and the family moved from the Tweed to Laurieton in 1892.John died in1919 and Mary Ann died in1935.
If you can shed any information on this family ,I would be delighted to hear from you.I can find no record of John’s Birth so I presume he may have been born Overseas.
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