I am bringing to the Posts some of the comments which Contributors have made. Some are seeking assistance and others have been generous in their provision of information and images. Comments are welcome. If you are able to assist, leave a message in the comment section and the Contributor will be able to follow through. An additional reason determining the decision to post these comments was that I have been a trifle overwhelmed by the responses and interest and have managed to lose email addresses, phone numbers and my own clarity. i apologise here and now for not getting back to some of you, not yet using info some of you have sent me so graciously and for generally muddling things a little. Here is a chance to sort some of it into a little more order.
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BELL |
Mark Rogers saidHi Lynne, we share a lot of GG-ancestors. I’m a John Quirk descendant. James Bell – I can help you there – he died in early Feb 1852, as you’ll see toward the bottom of the 3rd column on p.2 of this page of the Maitland Mercury He’s been well researched by others, but no breakthrough back to family in Glasgow unfortunately – I was sent a transcript of his trial if you are interested, refers to him living with his sister but no name – it wasn’t housebreaking as such, he and another (who got away) were attempting to bore through the floor of a stationery store. Bells/Quirks/McLeods/ Lauries are well worked veins, lots of genies working on it over the years but I’d never google-searched before so glad to find your site. Feel free to contact me off-line. Love to share. CHRISTINA BELL AND ELIZABETH BELL. |
MARK ROGERS Thanks for the acknowledgements Lynne, I’d like to also acknowledge Jan Morrison (photos & all the Margaret McLeod research in Scotland), Marie Toshack (Bell/Laurie photos & research) Christina Quirk’s daughter Janet was a spinster and very interested in the family history. She passed on a lot of the oral history to her nephew Harold Quirk who inherited John Quirk’s property “Matildadale” at Tumbulgum and now lives at Banora Point on the Tweed. So I got a good “leg-up” from the oral history when I first started paying attention. Much of what I’ve been able to verify has been spot-on so I have pretty good confidence in the detail I can’t verify. Happy to share. I also have copies of photos of Agnes Mary Bell, DO Norman; also Wilhelmina Bell; Granny Bell and of course my own ancestor Christina Quirk (nee Bell) if you are interested. |
BELLE
Interesting that i find your wonderful site congratulations . |
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JUDE SLEAP
hi can i just say that i love your site its wonderful, i am the great great grand daughter of john and maryann bell i did notice that my grand fathers regards |
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BENSON |
SANDRA. Hi, Do you have any further information on Thomas Benson re his parents, or siblings? I am trying to see if this person may be linked to my Benson family. Kind regards Sandra |
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CURTIS and MORAN |
I am researching the Curtis family from Bristol and wonder if you could let me know if your John Curtis was Father to Cornelius Curtis B Bristol 1797 Cornelius was a Baker as were his eight sons one of which was my GG Grandfather. |
The CURTIS line is on the maternal side of my family and began with JOHN CURTIS. 1750-1821. This line initiated in Australia with convicts arriving early in the 1800s. John Curtis married Anne Moran and they had land in the Cumberland District of Sydney ( Parramatta Way). |
Allan Delaney saidDecember 11, 2009 at 2:30 am e Hello Lynne, |
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Kim Sheppard saidOctober 24, 2008 at 11:36 am e Hi Lynne, Just stumbled on your site and what a site it is! John Curtis and Ann Moran are my ggg.grandparents. James, their son, is my gg.grandfather. I lived most of my life at Maroubra. Mary Parsons’ (James’ wife) headstone is also at Botany, but I’m not sure if it is still standing. James’ daughter Teresa married into the Meillon family and so we are connected to John Meillon the actor. I’d love to know more about Ann Moran; she is one tough lady. Cheers, Kim. |
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BRIAN AHEARN I am currently writing a book on the Atlas and the voyage of that ship and the Hercules. I wanted to advise the date of arrival of the Hercules in Port Jackson, it was June 26, 1802, not 1801. The Atlas arrived July 6, 1802. Hercules left Cork with the Atlas on November 29,1801. Regarding the fine paid by Betts, it was exactly 500 pounds and allocated to the Orphan fund, if he did not pay the fine at the end of the trial he was to be imprisoned. Interestingly, Betts was found ‘not guilty’ of the first indictment. However, guilty of manslaughter of Prendergass. I have copies of both log books and trial notes (HRA). Hope this adds some helpful ‘extras’ to your research. Regards Brian Ahearn-Australia |
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PAUL FERGUS
2009/07/31 at 12:12am | In reply to nellibell49. Dear Lynne earlier this year, Mary Curtis-Wilson offered to provide information about John Curtis jnr. I wondered whether she might have anything relating to Ann Moran, especially her antecedents in Ireland. Could you ask Mary to contact me at Paul@Fergus.id.au so that we can discuss any information in her possession. Regards Paul Fergus |
MARY CURTIS WILSON I am related to John Curtis and Ann moran through his son john Curtis jnr. If you would like any info about John jnr and his descendants to the present day let me know and i will be happy to provide them |
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ANNE O’LEARY Lynne |
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CHRIS ROSANO
From the information I have John Jnr spent most of his adult life in Adaminaby on a property known as Rock Forest. I am descendant of Catherine Curtis and George Eccleston. They too lived on the property. My great grandmaoth Olive Eccleston was born at Rock Forest. From what I understand the property was owned by John Jnr and his brother Peter 2009/07/26 at 4:20am | In reply to Anne Oleary. Could Mary Curtis-Wilson please contact me at crosano1977@hotmail.com as I have some questions regarding the Curtis family. Regards |
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HITCHINGS/HUTCHENS |
Penny Van Der Have saidGreatly interested as Hannah Hitchens/Hutchings is my gt gt grandmother by her second marriage to Henry Samuels. Their daughter Louisa Matilda married to Jabez Brown was my gt grand mother.I have just this very day being trying to trace both parts of the familie’s movements in Victoria and NSW. When was Thomas Benson admitted to Liverpool asylum and why? Hannah and Henry’s 1st child Hannah was born in 1832 within days of his death and they did not mary until 1836 with permission of the govt. Hannah did not get her Conditional Pardon until 1838.Henry was also a convict. |
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CHERYL Hello all! How exciting to find this website . Hannah & Henry were my 3 x great grandparents. I have pasted Hannah’s Old Bailey record below for your files if you don’t have it. Below that is Thomas Benton/Benson’s Old Bailey records & a little more about him which might explain why he was considered ‘mad enough’ to be placed in Sydney’s lunatic asylum – it was not a nice place. If you don’t have Henry Samuel’s Old Bailey record, just do a search for “Old Bailey” and you’ll find him in there as well. It is wonderful to find other ‘family’ researching our heritage here in Oz and I look forward to coming back to this site often to see how our ancestry unfolds. Cheers, Cherlock Qld. HUTCHINS – GUILTY – DEATH. Aged 16. – Later commuted to Transportation. WILLIAMS – NOT GUILTY. This was found on the Jenny Fawcett site, for deaths of Convicts in NSW. Name: Benson, Thomas. Ship Arrived On: Ocean. Year of Death: 1832. Source: Well the above certainly provided more information once I contacted Jenny Fawcett. The surname of Thomas was often spelt thus: ‘BENTON” and not BENSON, so another search of the Old Bailey records turned up a transcript of his Court appearance & subsequent conviction. ORIGINAL TEXT: Before Mr. Baron Garrow 28. THOMAS “BENTON” was indicted for stealing, on the 30th of October 1822, five shirts, value 25 s., and two handkerchiefs, value 2 s., the goods of Thomas Barnett; and one pair of shoes, value 2 s., the goods of Sarah Spencer, from her person. SARAH SPENCER. I live with my mother, in Vinegar-lane, Commercial-Road – she is a laundress. Thomas Barnet is my father-in-law. On the 30th of October, about a quarter before eight o’clock, I was in Gravel-lane with a bundle of linen, into which I put a pair of shoes which I had bought there. As I came out of the shop, I saw three men standing there – one of them snatched my bundle, and was gone in a moment; one of the others ran after him. The prisoner held me fast while the others got away – he held me full two or three minutes; it was moon-light, and the lamps were lit; I screamed out for assistance, and he ran towards the others, but was stopped before I lost sight of him – I am certain of him. My bundle was produced in a few minutes; it had been picked up in the direction they ran. JOHN AVERY. I am a Bow-street patrol. I heard a young woman scream out, and ran to her – she said, “They have got my bundle, there he goes, that is him.” The other two ran up Chigwell-hill, and the prisoner ran up by the dock wall, and took to the left. I secured him; she immediately said he was the man who held her. I went to Chigwell-hill, and picked up the bundle. The linen belonged to a Captain, and was given up to him. I asked how he came there, he said he went on an errand from his master, Mr. Ward, French-alley, Goswell-street, and afterwards said he went on his own pleasure. (Shoes produced and sworn to.) Prisoner’s Defence. I was going to the Black Horse, public-house, Gravel-lane, to see a man. The prosecutrix screamed out, and said she was robbed – I went up and asked who by; she said a man, and pointed towards the wall-several people ran, and I was taken. SARAH SPENCER. He did not come and ask who robbed me. I am certain of him. GUILTY. Aged 19. SENTENCE: “Transported for Life”. Thomas was placed aboard the Ocean II, which sailed from Portsmouth on 24th April 1823, and arrived in Sydney on 27th August 1823. The trip took 125 days, with 173 men embarking on the journey, but only 165 persons disembarked at Sydney. The ships Captain was William Harrison, and the Surgeon, James McTernan. Thomas was immediately marched to the Hyde Park Barracks where he worked for the Government and in 1826, applied to marry Hannah. It would seem that Thomas ran away in 1830 and was subsequently recaptured some days later, as the following report states. He did marry Hannah in 1826, and it appears that they proceeded to have 3 children – 2 girls (Mary Ann 1826, Sarah A 1831, & a son named William in 1829 who died shortly after in 1831). A notice was sent to the Principal Superintendent of Convicts’ Office in Sydney on May 15, 1830 & printed in the Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser on Tuesday, 18th May 1830. On Page 3, Column 5. It read: The undermentioned prisioners having absconded from the Individuals and Employment set against the Names, respectively, and some of them being at large with stolen Certificates, and Tickets of Leave, all Constables and others are hereby required and commanded to use their utmost Exertions in apprehending and lodging them in safe Custody. Any Person harbouring or employing any of the said Absentees will be prosecuted as the Law directs- (among those listed) 1. Benton or Benson, Thomas, Ocean, 28 Toy Maker, London. 5 feet 3, light blue eyes, black hair, brown complexion. From: Employed-Hyde Park Barrack. By: F. A. Hely, J.P., Principal Superintendent of Convicts. Printed in the above newspaper on Thursday, 3rd June 1830, Page 4, Column 4, was the following: Principal Superintendent of Convicts’ Office Sydney, May 29, 1830 LIST OF RUNAWAYS APPREHENDED DURING THE PAST WEEK (among those listed) Benson Thomas, Ocean, from Hyde Park Barrack. F. A. Hely, J.P., Principal Superintendent of Convicts. After obtaining Thomas’s Burial Registration, it appears the poor fellow died in Sydney’s first Lunatic Asylum. His “Quality or Profession” – Insane, with his abode noted as “Lunatic Asylum”. |
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MCLEAN |
Kim Willis saidNovember 14, 2009 at 10:27 am e Hi Lynne, your site was passed on to me by James O’Brien. I have been looking into my mums family, the McLeans from Lismore and have gone back as far as a young John McLean ..born in Argyleshire Scotland in 1835 but whose family moved to the Island of Mull. When he was nearly 3 he arrived with his parents and other family members on 20/1/1838 on the “Brilliant”. You can look on James’ site to see the whole bit but I dont seem to be able to find out who the young Johns parents were and if he had any other siblings besides a brother called Donald. The lists above mention married males and females etc but I cant read the side….does it mention the children as well?? It wouldnt surprise me to find out his father was called John too as he also produced a son by the same name and the first born were often called after their parents…its his mothers name and perhaps any brothers or sisters that i seem to be coming to a standstill with. Plus the fact that there are so many of the males in the family called John!! Anything you could suggest to shed any light? Happy to hear from you either on this or by email….thanks heaps…Kim |
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Kim Willis saidNovember 14, 2009 at 12:22 pm e Found a site that had a passenger list for the Brilliant. Have found two McLean families..one was father Donald 30, Euphemia 28, Donald 3 and John 2 and also another John 32, Catherine 28, Marion 5, Donald 4 and John 2. Both of these would fit the bill of my ancestor John and his brother Donald..so far have no reference to them having a sister. I think James gave me your site because of the reference to a Janet McLean above the newspaper article on the Brilliant. I started researching some of this this morning and am still going from site to site. Its quite fascinating. Thanks for your help… |
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Kim Willis saidNovember 15, 2009 at 12:57 am e Hi again…No I live in Brisbane..mum and dad moved up from Lismore when I was little….I actually went onto one of the NSW Library sites and some of the information on people aboard the Brilliant was pretty scant. Out of 300 odd though at least 50 were McLeans!! I am going to try to find out more on probably Euphemia because it is one of the rarer names as opposed to Catherine, but one article I was reading said that proper registraion of births, deaths and marriages didnt really come to the fore until about 1855, and in a lot of cases females were just mentioned as wives etc. and not names! Found a list of the Duke of Argyll’s landdwellers and there were heaps of McLeans there as well… it’s really interesting once you get started on it isnt it? I remember going to a family reunion when I was little…Dads side are all Welsh. Am going to try to track down that side as well. Will let you know how I progress. Thanks. |
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Chris Beasley saidDecember 26, 2009 at 8:25 pm e Hi Kim with thanks to Lynne, |
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MCLEOD |
Maggie Mcleod saidJanuary 10, 2010 at 12:41 pm e my grandad mcleod dont know first name re married dont know who, but went or was from highlands , granny was evelyn mcleod had 2 sons 1 daughter , granny also remarried so never spoke about first marriages just a shot . |
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Gabrielle Watterson saidDecember 20, 2008 at 11:51 am e Hello there |
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MCNEIL |
Philip Strong saidI am researching the McNEIL and McLEAN families… my FOSTER family is descended from them. See chapter 8 of my website which describes this section of the FOSTERs http://www.strong-family.org/foster/chapter_8.html Please contact me about your BELL family. |
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MOORE |
MARILYN ROBERTS Am very interested in photo of Sarah and George Moore. They are my great great grandparents, I am a direct descendant in the Moore Family. Are there any more photos available? Where might you have got this photo? Do you know any family history? I would love to hear any stories. |
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POINT OF DIFFERENCE |
LYNDY CRACKNELL I love your site but have to query your great-grandfather saying he travelled north with Thomas Robinson, the founder of Bangalow. My great great grandfather was Thomas Chowne Robinson (1844-1922)who travelled north from the Dungog/Allyn River/Manning River area to become the first land grant holder in Bangalow. In 1865, Thomas was not even married yet,let alone travelling north to Lismore. He married in 1871, and was still farming in the Manning River area for a further eight years until the floods wiped him out. My great grandmother, his second daughter told me he went north in the year/years prior with his brother Jack to set up a hut and enought cleared space to keep a cow and then returned to Dungog to bring his wife and three children to the “Big Scrub”. They arrived in 1881. Their fourth child Mabel was the first white child born in Bangalow. |
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FATTORINI |
I am doing a Pioneer Register of Port Macquarie 1821-1900 Dr Fattorini is buried here with his first wife, Clemence La Monnerier Beaufiels. I cannot find children from second marriage to Lavinia Tozer here in Port Macquarie it states he was left with a small family after his second wife died. Being early registrations I would like to know if any one knew og this family and can help me. Regards Pam Yates |
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HURRELL |
Ros Lunsford saidOctober 19, 2008 at 12:37 pm e I’m the granddaughter of Albert Dudley Johnston who married Anne Hurrell and owned the store at Kinchela. |
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Cathy Hurrell Jones Nesselroade saidI live in Danville, Virginia. USA. My Grandfather was Thomas Hercules Hurrell fm the UK. He died around 1931 in Texas somewhere. He was a Merchant Marine. We know little about him other than that his family lived near London and he had an Aunt, Ursula Cox who was a concert pianist in the early 1900’s. My mother’s name is Janie Elizabeth Hurrell. I would love to find out more about his family. Emails would be welcomed. Great Website. Cathy |
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MERILYN HURRELL I recently visited my grandparents at Comboyne, NSW and was talking with nana about the Family History Research i had been doing. She brought out alot of photos a similar one to the one above on the back was “hurrell sisters”. However we were unsure of the names of each of the ladies at the time. Hi Lynne, If you would like a copy of the photo i have i can send it via email, you’ll definately be able to see how similar the photo’s are. I have alot of the information you have above from talking with my nana. she also gave me a duplicate copy of John Hurrell’s death certificate which listed mary warner as his mother…. i never knew that john married twice. Barb Miller provided me with with alot of information a couple of years back which is the same as what you have in the Hurrell section. You’ve done a great Job on your site here, alot of hard work and time. let me know if you would like me to share the photo. I copied all photo’s from my nana and scanned them to put in my tree. |
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JUDY ZAPPACOSTA I am a granddaughter of the owners of the store at Kinchela the late Albert Dudley and Ann (nee Hurrell) Johston. I was very pleasantly surprised to find this photo of the store on your blog. My mother was Sybil Johnston, twin sister of Daisy Margaret Johnston and sister to Leiton, Varney, Harold, Athol and Beth (all deceased). The family left Kinchela in 1916 and settled in Haberfield, Sydney. Hi Lynne It’s wonderful of you, Merelyn Hurrell and her Nan to share these photos. Thank you so much. I think the aunt in the top right hand corner is my grandmother Ann. I only have a couple of photos of Ann taken in later years and it’s such a lovely surprise to see a photo of her as a younger woman. According to the list of John and Ellen’s ten children on your heritage website Ann was the youngest female child. In both photos the aunt I’m referring to looks to be younger than her four sisters. Warm regards, Judy Zappacosta |
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Hi Lynne Warm regards Judy Zappacosta |
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JULIAN | MARGARET BOOTH
Martha Julian was born 10.2.1856 at North Kempsey she married Thomas Craig 25.7.1877 and she died 31.5.1932 and is burried at Frederickton Cemetery. Her parents were John Julian and Elizabeth Keast. |
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KITCHING |
Dear Lynne, while reaserching my daughters family tree I have come across your info on Sarah. Robert Evan Kitching is her great, great uncle, I have a copy of their marriage cerificate, he was born 1876,came from England 1879 aboard ‘Samuel Plimsoll’ with four, siblings, Edith, Cornelius, Fred and Alfred father Thomas and mother Cecilia. Cornelius is our connection. Thought we would share this with you as you have shared your family with us. Robert’s father died 1939 buried Cambeltown area also. |
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ROWE |
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SANDERS. |
Hi There, I am Dorothey Roberts from Canberra, the grand daughter of Frederick William Sanders and Euphemia Sanders(nee Nelson)
SANDERS MEN – FRED, JOHN GEORGE, DICK ? , CLEM ? |
Recent contact was made by Dorothy Roberts and she has since provided me with Photographs and Information on her strand of the Family. Dorothey’s Grandfather was the Brother of my Father’s Father, John George Sanders. Follow the categories to the Left for further details. Its a pleasure to add Dorothey to Family I am coming to know. I shall add her material very shortly. |
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JAN MAURICE Hi Lynne I think I’ve found the twins their was a couple of sets but most died in infancy but Harriett Sanders born 4 July 1852 married Thomas Rowe their daughter Mary Elizabeth Rowe born 1880 married Mark Hurrell in 1907 and Dulcie E R Hurrell 25209/1907 and Edna M R Hurrell 1907/25210 This would make the photo 4 generations of girls just like the one with the men. |
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SANDERS |
FROM JAMES O’BRIEN. James saidHi Lynne I’ve been meaning to mention for sometime since first looking at your site, My sister was married to Ray Hyland for many years. His sister, Vonnie Anyway, just wondering if the connection was there. James |
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Janice Maurice saidmy grandmother was Agnes JAne Sanders daughter of William and Mary Ann Skivings she married CHW Taylor would like to hear from any family JAnice Maurice nee TAylor Perth WA |
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JAN MAURICE Hi Lynne |
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JAN MAURICE
Hi Lynne Well what do you know I have a relative who was also on the Three Bees Hugh Kennedy whos daughter Elizabeth Kennedy married John Taylor. |
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Chris McCarthy saidHi Lynne I am descended also from frederick. My GF was Clarence McLeay Sanders so I suppose that makes us cousins. Would love to get together and discuss details. My mobile is 0412 221 587 and I live in Port Macquarie. Regards |
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Sharon Burt saidDecember 10, 2009 at 11:00 pm e Hi again Lynne,I found your website the other night(very late)& was so excited.Yes I too am the GGGGGG granddaughter of Thomas Sanders & Martha Bond.My father was Albert Clarence Rowe son of Hercules William Rowe who was the son of Harriet Francis Sanders & Thomas Rowe.I can fill you in on from Hercules William onwards. |
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COLLEEN WATTS |
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JEN SANDERS Hi Lynne, I was just doing a wild search for an ancestor of mine and dicovered your site. Will have to search more thoroughly at another time, as I think you may have some very useful information for me. Clement COnstant Sanders, who was Frederick John’s brother or son (will have to check and get back to you) was my great grandfather. I’m very excited to find a site that has some of my family history, as I keep finding other Sanders lines that are not related. Hi again Lynne… sorry I haven’t called… have been looking through my information to see if have anything that can fill some of the holes you have here.. I have a couple of death dates and places that you don’t have listed above, but you may have these elsewhere… You have filled a lot of holes for me though, thank you so much. Herbert Burdett Sanders with Grandfather Frederick Sanders, Grandma Lucy Jane (nee Hurrell) and Auntie Maude. |
Hi Jen, Just checked the AWM website and found more than I thought existed about Bert. I think its Grandma Sanders who writes about losing one son and 6 nephews. That’s LUCY JANE HURRELL SANDERS. Different story from what oral family history told me and very sad. Yrs Lynne. 2009/08/18 at 8:06am | In reply to nellibell49. Hi Lynne, |
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Clyde thomas sanders Im wondering who i am in this sanders tribe. |
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JACKIE 4 years ago, on a trip around Italy, my husband and I met a member of a Sanders clan who lives in Sydney, Australia. His immediate family hail from London, Middlesex and Surrey. In the early 60’s he emigrated to Australia. Last year he emailed me and asked me to trace his family history and I have found his earliest Sanders ancestor to be Thomas Sanders of Kenton, who married Martha Bond in 1707 – the same as yours! Thomas is his 6th great grandfather. Please contact me directly if you would like to get in touch with him. I am sure he would be delighted to hear from you although I am saving most of the details of his tree until his visit to the UK next year. I am happy to share anything I have on the family and am still seeking a living relative who I hope you may be able to help me with. Jackie |
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SKIVINGS |
Jocelyn Oram saidMy connection Mary Ann Skevings sister Harriett. I have come across some info on The family of William and Mary Ann. My question is the parents of William Sanders 1823, Jocelyn namely on many researchers notes William Sanders and Elizabeth Green, however on Williams death cert shown on you site and a copy of which I have the fathers name is John. Were William and John the same person. Can you help solve this? |
G’day Lynne, I stopped in today to see Noel Everson (was married to Elsie Maud Sanders now deceased) and still lives on acreage in Kinhcela on the road to Hat Head but he wasn’t home. I drive through those parts frequently and enjoy the fact I have history around this area. My grandfather was Raymond Horace Sanders, whos father was Clement Constant Sanders the son of Frederick John Sanders followed by William (blackberry) Sanders. That makes me a proud sixth generation Sanders’ I thoroughly enjoyed the Anzac Day Dawn Service experience this year at South West Rocks where Herbet Burdett Sanders is listed first on the Cenetaph and was the first casualty of the Great War from the Macleay area.
Hi Steve. So that was dad’s Uncle Clem. I am now in Raleigh and will shortly do a trip down Kempsey and get back into the Historical Society records. We did Frederickton Cemetery earlier this year and took photographs. I was getting confused because one of Aunty May ( Sanders) Everson’s sons is Noel. Dick Sanders (II) put that in place for me. Good to hear from you.